Talk:Hurricane Norma (1981)

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The beginning of the impact section is confusing, since it's unclear what Lidia did and what Norma did. I agree that Lidia should get a mention, but it shouldn't get too much. Some non-Google news sources would be good. Given how high the rainfall was, I'm sure there are more sources for US impact. As for Mexico, probably not. It needs a copyedit, as some of the writing is sub-par. I started, but there was a bit too much for me to try and tackle. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:28, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's still confusing what was Lidia and what was Norma. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:46, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I tried my best to clarify what was Norma and Lidia. There are currently five non-newspaper references (excluding the MWR summary). YE  Tropical   Cyclone  03:56, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Correction
According to this article the elephant in Gainsville was reported dead, then later found alive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 52.128.53.224 (talk) 16:42, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Todo
(copied from our conversation on IRC - strike what was done) The overall damage total from winds and outbreak (according to the NDCD search) was $28.5 million. Did not say in the MWR summary. YE  Tropical   Cyclone  23:03, 5 January 2011 (UTC) ✅ ✅, I removed the "continuing to intensify" part ✅ ✅ Fixed the evacuations part. Fixed, so ✅
 * You definitely need more proof that the tornado caused $25M in damage; tornadoes are never that costly, and NCDC is very minimal in its information, so much that's bordering unreliable in this instance. Perhaps the $25M is the overall damage total in the US? For that matter, try to find any other damage total in Texas and Oklahoma
 * "Early on October 8, a tropical depression had developed" - few problems. Where did the depression come from? Where did it form? And most importantly (grammar wise), why "had developed"? The usage of past-perfect tense is awkward, not to mention redundant
 * I think I fixed it, not 100% sure though.
 * "Initially, the storm moved west-northwest, but it turned to the northwest six hours after forming" - is that important at all that it changed from west-northwest to northwest? It's so minor, really. What's more important (and missing) is why it moved the way it did
 * "Over sea surface temperatures of 28°C, the storm intensified into Tropical Storm Norma at 0600 UTC time." - the 28ºC should have a Fahrenheit conversion, and the F should be first with C in parenthesis (similar to doing miles first, then km in parenthesis). The name shouldn't be italicized, and saying "UTC time" is horrible redundant, given UTC means Coordinated Universal Time. So it would be "Time time". Worse, you don't say the day when it became a TS
 * "Continuing to intensify, a well-defined eye soon became visible by via satellites." - how soon? And "visible by satellites" - what does that mean?
 * "By midday on October 9 the winds had reached 50 mph (85 km/h) and on 1800 UTC October 9, the storm was upgraded into a hurricane." - the midday on October 9 part is extraneous, since we already know it is continuing to intensify. The 50 mph means nothing
 * "Upon reaching hurricane strength, the storm began to rapidly intensify[1]; it reached Category 2 intensity on the Saffir–Simpson Hurricane Scale six hours after attaining hurricane strength" - few problems. The word "hurricane" appears three times in that sentence, and "hurricane strength" occurs twice. Also, "to rapidly intensify" is improper English, as it is a split infinitive (look it up)
 * "Later that that, the storm reached major hurricane status, a storm with winds of 111 mph (179 km/h) or higher. [2]." - aside from the "that that" and the double period, you should probably clarify a MH is a C3 on the SSHS, since you've already introduced the scale and it would be consistent with what's in the lede
 * "The storm reached it's peak of 125 mph (205 km/h) at 1800 UTC October 10" - where did it peak, and try and find the grammar error in there
 * When did the storm actually dissipate?
 * "This prompted evacuations 5,000 people, and limited the death toll of Hurricane Norma to one person, a fisherman drowned when his boat capsized in the storm." - so did Lidia being in the region prompt the evacuations? Why are Lidia's damage/deaths mentioned at all? And "evacuations 5,000 people" is poor writing, sry
 * "Six soldiers were guarding a government helicopter, five of which were washed away during a flash flood. " - wait, were five helicopters or soldiers washed away?
 * "Agriculture was disrupted, and cattle were killed. Norma caused at least $24 million (1981 USD) dollars in crop damage and [1] the highest Mexican rainfall was 10.9 in (280 mm) in Plomosas/Rosario, Mexico" - you could've organized that better. The former sentence is very stubby, and could use more content, but the second sentence is very bloated with two disconnected pieces of info. Also, try and find a link for the area w/ the highest rain
 * "Torrential rains caused serious flooding north of Mazatlan.[4] In addition, Mazatlan was flooded as well as ten nearby towns." - again, sorta awkward writing. Mazatlan is mentioned twice in four words, and the two sentences essentially cover the same piece of info (the rains caused flooding)
 * "This caused two rives to reach flood-stage." - which two?
 * Clarified
 * "A total of four people were killed, three occurred when floodwater swept their car off the road in Fort Worth" - there are two active verbs, please fix
 * I believe I fixed this
 * "Nearby, flooding forced thousands of people to evacuate their homes, including 1,000 evacuated in Lindsay and Breckenridge" - you use "evacuate" twice
 * "In addition, Ceder Creek " - is it really Ceder Creek? Or is it Cedar
 * Gainseville, or Gainesville?
 * "In eastern Kansas light rain fell, peaking at at .7 in (18 mm) near Perry Lake" - not according to HPC. Over 3 inches fell on the map
 * Noted time frame. YE  Tropical   Cyclone
 * "Due to the damage from the hurricane, the Salvation Army disaster units where sent through the devastated area" - where or were? If where, the sentence is a fragment. And you should clarify the last paragraph is in the US
 * Noted time frame. YE  Tropical   Cyclone
 * "Due to the damage from the hurricane, the Salvation Army disaster units where sent through the devastated area" - where or were? If where, the sentence is a fragment. And you should clarify the last paragraph is in the US

--♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:10, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

This really should be used. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 04:16, 4 January 2011 (UTC)