Talk:Hurricane Winifred

Requested move 24 November 2016

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. While this is the only "hurricane" by this name, the potential target is a redirect to a disambiguation page that points to both a hurricane and a cyclone. There is no consensus to move this page, and it appears that this needs to be part of a broader discussion of the naming of hurricanes, perhaps an RFC. (non-admin closure) Brad  v  21:42, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Hurricane Winifred (1992) → Hurricane Winifred – Only one Pacific hurricane named Winifred. 219.79.96.41 (talk) 11:32, 24 November 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. Andrewa (talk) 19:47, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This should not have been listed separately. See ongoing relevant discussion at Talk:Hurricane Stan (disambiguation). &mdash;Gordon P. Hemsley&rarr; &#x2709; 06:23, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Relisting comment: I agree with User:GPHemsley that this shouldn't have been raised as a separate RM while the other was in progress, but now that it has been, let us wait at least one relisting and see whether anything happens at the other discussion. Andrewa (talk) 19:47, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose: so not as to confuse with any other names listed at Tropical Storm Winifred. Ebonelm (talk) 21:21, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Support. It's the only *Hurricane" with that name, and a hatnote can take us to the dab page in case anyone is confused. Unlike "Tropical Storm Winifred" (which includes Hurricane Winifred), this is not an ambiguous term. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 23:26, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Someone people call any strong tropical storm a hurricane. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:28, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Support. As User:Amakuru points out, Hurricane Winifred is not ambiguous. While discussion at Talk:Hurricane Stan and elsewhere is continuing, nothing that has developed there affects this RM. Andrewa (talk) 10:39, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Support. Per . Tropical storms that are hurricanes are called hurricanes. Others are not called hurricanes. It's very simple.  --В²C ☎ 00:02, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose largely because the terms hurricane/typhoon/cyclone were interchangeable in the media, especially in this era. YE Pacific Hurricane  01:27, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose The terms hurricane, typhoon and cyclone are synonyms of regional preference that become interchangeable in cross-regional exchange, like on Wikipedia.  They are all tropical storms, and it is not reasonable to expect all regional readers to appreciate the artificial distinction that exists in North America.  Tropical storms that are hurricanes may also be reasonably called typhoons and cyclones, and someone not wishing to cross someone else's distinction may continue to call it a tropical storm.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:03, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * This is simply not true. Do you have any evidence for the media in any part of the world calling something that is not a hurricane a hurricane? The only exception I can think of is the Great storm of 1987, which was widely referred to as a hurricane at the time. But that wasn't even a tropical storm at all so it's a different question. Tropical storms that aren't hurricanes being called hurricanes? That does not happen. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 15:54, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
 * What is simply not true? The things you specify are not what I said.  A hurricane is a typhoon is a cyclone, just subject to regional variation of English.  A hurricane is a big tropical storm, and was at some point a tropical storm, but a tropical storm is not necessarily a hurricane.  A tropical storm may be technically differentiated from a hurricane by wind speed, but non-technically a hurricane is a class of tropical storms.  In increasing severity, a tropical depression becomes a tropical storm becomes a hurricane/cyclone/typhoon, and you don't normally call a hurricane a tropical depression, but it is not incorrect. You may be getting into false precision?  At least it is not as bad as "superstorm".  There may be issue with hurricanes being far from the topics ....  Bottom line, hurricane/cyclone/typhoon are not universally recognised as distinct, and they have overlap with "tropical storm", and the field as understood by the public is ambiguous with respect to the names.  Katrina was a tropical storm, before it became a hurricane (2005), or should that be before it become a cyclone (1998)?  These titles, more so than most, appear in lists, and the little bit of parenthetical information is important.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:16, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Discussion
See also Talk:Hurricane Stan (disambiguation). Andrewa (talk) 17:58, 2 December 2016 (UTC)


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Requested move 8 February 2017

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) TonyBallioni (talk) 02:15, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Hurricane Winifred (1992) → Hurricane Winifred – Only one Pacific hurricane named Winifred. 219.79.250.146 (talk) 01:21, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose per previous discussion outcome, plus the name has been used in the SHEM, and cyclones/hurricanes/typhoons are often confused terms, especially in the media prior to the internet age. YE Pacific Hurricane  16:40, 9 February 2017 (UTC)


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