Talk:Hustler (magazine)

Incoherent Writing
The following are the first three sentences of the article as it exists now:


 * Hustler is a monthly pornographic magazine aimed at men and published in the United States. It was first issued in 1974. It was a step forward from the Hustler Newsletter which was cheap advertising for his strip club businesses.

Of course, this is incoherent writing, as the person that "his" refers to hasn't even been introduced. Replacing "his" with "Larry Flynt" wouldn't be much better, as then the sentence reads like an unrelated anecdote. So I'm going to change this passage to the following:


 * Hustler is a monthly pornographic magazine aimed at men and published in the United States. It was first published in 1974 by Larry Flynt. It was a step forward from the Hustler Newsletter which was cheap advertising for his strip club businesses at the time.

209.208.77.150 04:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Miscellany
If anyone things this should appear in the article, please allow me to put it in; it has been deleted by another user but it is relevant.


 * In the late 1990s, Hefner was a guest speaker at the Roman Catholic Georgetown University, declaring, during his remarks, that "The Catholic Church has had its hand on other people's crotch for the last two thousand years"

Thanks ~ Dpr 01:21, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Why is this relevant? Hugh Hefner created Playboy magazine, not Hustler... that was Larry Flynt. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:20, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)

Questions / suggestions

i) Add something about Hustler Magazine v Farwell here.

ii) Add a link about Hustler Magazine that isn't "adult only" to the external link section. [Website for shareholders? ]

Cleanup
Article itself is not bad, but could use a good editing job. --Ohyeahmormons

Question:

Who's the chick on the 2004 hustler cover she looks fuckin hot!


 * That would be Sunrise Adams. PseudoAnon 07:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Aren't there Hustler video's and stuff? There is no mention of that. --59.93.202.11 14:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC) Anonguy


 * Yes, there are even Hustler TV channels. --88.196.137.184 18:39, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

very good —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.24.240.241 (talk) 00:43, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Free copies of Hustler magazine mailed to Members of Congress
The article states: "Every month's Hustler is mailed, uninvited (sic) and for free, to the office of each member of the United States Congress. This practice began at some point between 1974 and 1983, and it continues as of 2009."

I worked in a DC Congressional office in the early 1990s and we never received Hustler magazine. Not even one single issue.

This passage should be cited or deleted.

72.82.210.50 (talk) 15:51, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I hope the congressman didnt have to rely on you ever using any initiative, seeing as google can provide a source in seconds. Willy turner (talk) 01:37, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I am just saying that the alleged free Hustler magazines were not delivered to the Members of the House of Representatives in the early 1990s.


 * Perhaps during that era the magazines were stolen while be handled at the House Post Office.


 * This would have been easy to accomplish by one or more of the Postmaster staffers. Remember that individuals at the House Post Office were then dealing cocaine out of the office and the then Postmaster, Robert Rota, was himself engaged in money laundering.  And remember that these staffers are not Letter-Carriers (who are subject to Postal Police investigation if they steal mail), they are Congressional staffers who are employed at the discretion of the Postmaster.


 * Also, I should note that stealing the magazines would be even easier if they were drop-shipped to the House Post Office (Washington, DC 20515). USPS drop-shipping is a common mass mailing technique.  In this case a whole shipment of 435 magazines would be mailed to the House Post Office and then opened and distributed to the Members (or in this case, not distributed).


 * 435 brand new copies of Hustler magazine would be worth a lot of money (tax-free, under-the-table) if you sold them to a fence or disreputable magazine distributor.


 * 72.82.220.4 (talk) 04:48, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Inaccuracy -- too much reliance on too few sources
Nature of Content section claims "first American magazine to show pubic hair". This can easily be disproved by scrolling thru http://www.scribd.com/doc/97912/Timeless-The-Women-of-Playboy-19532004 which shows the pubic hair of Miss December 1971 Karen Christy and Miss January 1972 Marilyn Cole, as well as clearer photos in Playboy later in 1972. Since Hustler was not even published until 1974, it couldn't have been first.

The text of this WP page should be modified to indicate what Hustler *did* pioneer in. Pubic hair was also depicted by Alberto Vargas in his Playboy drawings as early as January 1970. Martindo (talk) 09:13, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Herceg case
Why isn't anything here on Herceg vs. Hustler case? From Autoerotic asphyxiation:

In Herceg v. Hustler, Diane Herceg sued Hustler magazine for the death of her 14-year-old son, Troy D., who had experimented with autoerotic asphyxia after reading about it in that publication. 89.201.133.70 (talk) 11:25, 30 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I found this source that could be used for a Litigation section and not just this one case. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 19:32, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Asshole of the Month
Bizarrely, the UK edition heads this feature "Arsehole of the Month". Bizarrely, because (1) it doesn't seem to make any other editorial concessions to the UK (I mean, who in the UK actually uses the word "afficionada"?) and (2) the cartoon depicts the victim as the back end of a pony - which is still an "ass" in British English, not an "arse". So the one concession the magazine makes to British English, it gets wrong. - Walnuts go kapow (talk) 10:37, 4 February 2011 (UTC) hey sup?????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.236.69.88 (talk) 23:25, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

NPOV tag -- The "Regular Features" section read like an attack
The entire section was an attack on the magazine and I have made a few changes.

The section now actually reads as a list of regular features as should be intended, however it currently needs more sources. I have removed a full paragraph from the page which was an unsourced attack. I have added a criticism section and moved a sourced paragraph in question from "Regular Features" to the new section. Due to the nature of the issue, I have added a NPOV tag to the page until other editors see this issue as resolved.

Please look over the changes and discuss. 24.182.164.78 (talk) 21:44, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Criticism of "Criticism"
The "study" referred to in the "criticism" section is poorly cited. No idea what's in the supposed source, but I would assume a legit study "funded by the Department of Justice " would be sourceable online.

There's a reason it isn't. An unauthorized DOJ staffer (and former writer for Captain Kangaroo) using DOJ stationary tried to claim she'd done a study which supposedly included Playboy and Penthouse and was designed to "prove" that mainstream pornography in the 80s was a breeding ground for pedophilia.

The mention here is obviously an attempt to smear Hustler while disavowing responsibility. It should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.32.129.175 (talk) 23:34, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 16 November 2019

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Colin M (talk) 21:35, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

– Obviously the primary topic of the word "Hustler" would be the person who hustles, not the magazine. Per WP:NOUN, the hustling article should really be called hustler, similar to how gold digger is not called gold digging. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 14:05, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Hustler → Hustler (magazine)
 * Hustling → Hustler


 * Oppose both - Hustler as a term is more often associated with the magazine. Also, WP:NOUN includes gerunds, so "hustling" is an acceptable title for the activity. -- Netoholic @ 19:29, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Hustling is also not just that for a hustler. It can be a pimp, or a drug trafficker. So I don't support this move, but mostly #2. --Quiz shows 19:39, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The article is obviously solely about the practice of cheating in games, not pimping or drug trafficking. Therefore, the scope wouldn't be narrowed by the move.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 20:40, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * oppose - I don't see an issue with the article remaining at Hustling. There is an argument that the article is far too much skewed towards hustlers than the act, but the article should be explaining what hustling itself is. A List of known Hustlers could exist, but no need for this move. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski  (talk • contribs) 12:26, 17 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Support first move, but move Hustler (disambiguation) to Hustler. I would question the existence of a primary topic for the term given the combination of common noun use and the large number of other uses. BD2412  T 18:49, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I still think hustling merits a move, per WP:NOUN. Maybe to Hustler (gambling) if people agree there is no primary topic.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 00:55, 20 November 2019 (UTC)


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Infobox: Magazine editor & publisher
Seeing as Larry Flynt died in February 2021. Shouldn't the editor & publisher entries, be updated? GoodDay (talk) 20:35, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Uncited material in need of citations
I am moving the following uncited material here until it can be properly supported with inline citations of reliable, secondary sources, per WP:V, WP:CS, WP:IRS, WP:PSTS, WP:BLP, WP:NOR, et al. This diff shows where it was in the article. Nightscream (talk) 16:27, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Editorial policy
Hustler has had what would be considered a left-wing (liberal) editorial policy on economics, foreign policy, and social issues. Flynt and Hustler are also noted for having a more populist and working-class outlook than the more upscale-oriented Playboy and Penthouse. Throughout the 1980s, Flynt used his magazine as a podium with which to launch attacks on the Reagan Administration and the Religious Right. He even published a short-lived political magazine called Rebel. During the controversy surrounding Bill Clinton's impeachment, Flynt publicly announced his sympathy for Clinton, and offered cash rewards to anyone with information regarding sexual impropriety on the part of the president's critics. In 2003, Flynt ran unsuccessfully for the office of Governor of California during that state's recall election.

In an interview, Flynt explained, "I felt that they should be informed with what's going on in the rest of the world ... Some of them didn't appreciate it much. I haven't had any plans to quit."

Hustler Hard Drive
The short-lived spinoff magazine Hustler Hard Drive (first issue September 1995, ISSN 1082-9954) should probably be noted somewhere on the article. Waxworker (talk) 07:31, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 28 June 2022

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The result of the move request was: moved. Per loss of confidence in the magazine being primary anymore, backed up by usage and long-term significance arguments. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:22, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Hustler → Hustler (magazine) – Hustler more often refers to the group of professions in American English collectively called "Hustlers", especially in the contemporary times, yet due to dialectal variations it is best to make the page Hustler a redirect to the disambiguation page like it should've always been. While the magazine may be the most impactful form of hustler, that does not necessarily mean it is what one will be searching for as someone who is searching for the magazine will search with magazine in the term instead of just the term hustler, as if they themselves already concede that information for the term hustler will not be searching for hustler. Using Google Trends, one notices that searches for the term "Hustler" spike every summer, which just so happens to be when hustling as a group of professions are most active, whilst the magazine is far less searched for, and that pornographic magazines as a whole are on the decay. What may have been a major usage of Hustler in the early 2000s, which is likely considering the trend, can no longer confidently be considered the case.

– BruhtatoChips (talk) 20:09, 28 June 2022 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support per nom. There's no 100% clear primary topic for this title — so, the safest bet would absolutely be to move the disambiguation page ("Hustler (disambiguation)") to the basename of "Hustler". Paintspot Infez (talk) 20:25, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose magazine is still PRIMARY, and the Google views just reinforce that.--Ortizesp (talk) 20:43, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Support and move Hustler (disambiguation) to Hustler. The magazine is undoubtedly highly notable, but it is not overwhelmingly the primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:25, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per my previous move request on the subject. I believe it should be a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to Hustling as the primary topic due to longterm significance. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:57, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Support The Hustler (film) has 16,032 views, Hustling has 7,214 while the magazine has 9,709, also Hustlers (film) has 	153,690[]. By long-term significance hustling probably has more than the magazine. There is no clear primary topic so the DAB should be at the base name rather than a primary redirect to Hustling.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 09:26, 1 July 2022 (UTC)