Talk:Hwasong-10

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I really do not know where to start with this. I would like to think I follow the NKPA programs somewhat well, but I've never heard of this missile, and the very rough writing style makes me think that either the writer is writing in english as a second language or is seeking to capitalize on the recent launch, as shown by the numerous links on the wikinews page. Tagging as nonsense (unsure as to the proper tag, apologies in advance if incorrect). Upshotknothole (talk) 08:09, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Having read through the template and further guidelines for the tag, I still feel it applies because despite the spattering of knowledgeable-looking snippets, the article as a whole makes no sense Upshotknothole (talk) 08:22, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * No, it's clearly not eligible as "nonsense"; it's badly-written and unsourced, but neither of those alone is enough to justify speedy deletion. "Nonsense" is for pages that contain jibberish like "blah de booboo."  This needs to go to WP:AFD if you think it's inaccurate.  --R'n'B (call me Russ) 08:55, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi I understand you cannot belive because US Newspapers dose not Inform about this missile.(On the other hand SK's/Japanese/Chinese Newspapers seldom inform about Iranian missiles)
 * So at first please visit Article R-27 Zybcheck the edit history. There is same facts written by other wikipedians.
 * And please read/see the source articles/drawings which I pasted.
 * If you need more citation please inform me "which part of this article you need source" I think I can paste source which you require.--Jack332 (talk) 09:37, 7 April 2009 (UTC) you need

Movail/ Fixed

 * Some US Military professionals under estimate DPRK,because Taepodong-2 is fixed launch pad liquid fuel ICBM
 * 'cause it's easy to watch by satelite,and easy to distruct before loanch by Solid fuel ICBM/Fighter


 * But DPRK's Math deploy missile syetems Hwasong-6 and Rodong-1 are Movail type like Russia's Topoli/ China's DF-31/Iraq Scud.

--Jack332 (talk) 20:01, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The importance of Taepodong-2 test loanch is,DPRK Proved Musudan 3200-4000km Movail IRBM. 1)as Final Mile stone to Movail ICBM 2)Iran imported Musudan can deliver Nuke to Berlin/Rome

DPRK's Intention
There are 2 kind of view point 1)South Korean left Party's opinion
 * "DPRK is poor. Just because they need Energy Aid,they are doing Nuke test and Missile Test."


 * Historical/Political Back Ground
 * 1994 Secretary of defense Mr Perry plans to surgical strike to DPRK like Operation Opera
 * Kim Jong il Black Mailed left party's President Kim Dae Jung as follows "If US strike Nuke facilities We will burn Seoul(by 10,000 canon Arty. Corps)"
 * Kim Dae Jung upset and asked President Clinton to Stop Surgical Strike
 * After that they announced "DPRK and us are same ethnic group. DPRK develop Nuke just because they need Aid"

2)Jpn Defense Ministry/Mr Perry's opinion
 * DPRK is divided Military country. They desire North Oriented Unification like Vietnam. They may take advantage US troop decreasing at Korean peninsula,and Deploy 200 Mobile ICBM to US/JPN and they may try compulsory Merge of South Korea by Nuke Blackmail.


 * Historical/ Political Background
 * Korea is Divided Country,and DPRK desire North Oriented Unification. Even though South Korea is financially and technologically superior than North Korea, North Korea's ruling elite will not accept a South-led unification because North Korea has always seen South Korea as a US imperialist puppet state who does not consider ethnic Korean's interest first over US and Japan's interest.


 * And DPRK have 3 nuclear reactors. DPRK agreed to disable 5Mw 1Nuke/y old small reactor. But they do not allow to demolish the halted construction of 50Mw 11Nuke/y and 200Mw 44Nuke/y Big reactors.

270kg 55Nuke/y evidence --Jack332 (talk) 20:01, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If DPRK re-start construction,and if US/JP/SK cannot stop the operation start of the Big Reactors,then the reactors can Generate Plutonium over 270kg/y. It is enough to Build 220 Nuke Warheads within 4 years.
 * That bulky quantity of Nuke for Missiles, may allow North Korea's Generals to over estimate themselves that they can win 2nd Korean War because they does not fear death for Unification wheras they believe some US citizens may not want to die for SK.
 * Musudan will be "the Final Mile Stone" before they deploy 9000-11000 km "Mobile" ICBM to US.
 * (talk) 23:48, 29 June 2016 (GMT+8) - Fixed typos.

Infobox
After looking at the Musudan and Taepodong infoboxes, I noticed they are both missing an image caption option and a lot of the newer features. How old are these templates? --68.44.90.203 (talk) 09:20, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

TEL, info ?
Is actually the MAZ-543 capable of carying a 20-ton missile ? The heaviest missile that can be carried on that vehicle is the 10-ton Temp-S. Which also makes me ask how the hell is it possible for a liquid-fueled missile of the same dimensions can weigh twice as more and have a four times bigger range ? Just doesn't seem logical...- Tourbillon A ? 14:58, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It actually seems to be a modified MAZ-547/7916. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.191.206.10 (talk) 16:30, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Payload
Is there a source for a payload of 1,000 kg? Jane's Strategic Weapon Systems (Offensive Weapons) of September 2012 says 1,200kg. Suggest getting consensus on whether to change the payload or list both, e.g. "1,000-1,200 kg". JamieSc (talk) 04:33, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Origin of name
Mention why it is called what it is. Jidanni (talk) 04:03, 12 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Especially since it's not the official name.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:17, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Musudan is a place / town's name in Korean peninsular since Japanese Occupation era. Meanwhile, the BM25 means Ballistic Missile 2,500km or 2,500 miles (4,000 km) subjected to the intelligence community back in 2010. (talk) 00:00, 30 June 2016 (GMT+8)

Propose renaming "Musudan"
All the recent media coverage, and published papers, simply call the missile "Musudan". BM-25 is infrequently mentioned, and only as an alternative name. I Therefore propose to rename the article "Musudan" unless there is any objection in the next couple of days. Rwendland (talk) 20:20, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * NB I could not do this move because I don't have the authority to overwrite the redirect. I requested a move with db-move but it was declined as this discussion on Talk: was deemed insufficient.  If anyone has the energy to give db-move another go, or do the full Requested moves process, please do! Rwendland (talk) 11:49, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

As the North Korea media have publicly confirmed the missile name as "Hwasong-10", I think it would be better to rename BM25 Musudan as Hwasong-10. (talk) 23:48, 29 June 2016 (GMT+8)

Done, I have moved the page as Hwasong-10 as per North Korean official name. The same thing goes to KN-11 to Pukkuksong-1 too. Sam 13:23, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

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