Talk:Hydraulic rescue tool

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There seems to be a discrepancy between the invention of the Hurst Tool between the introduction paragraph and the History section. The introduction has a 1963 date and the History says 1972. I got my start in the Fire/Rescue service in the mid 70's and remember departments making their first purchases of the tool during that time, so I lean more toward the 1972 date. Cutter-wike (talk) 18:22, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

This page needs some major revision. To quote howstuffworks, "The Jaws of Life is actually a brand of tools that is trademarked by the Hurst Jaws of Life company, but the name is often used when talking about other brands of rescue systems. The term "Jaws of Life" refers to several types of piston-rod hydraulic tools known as cutters, spreaders and rams, which are used to pry open vehicles involved in accidents when a victim may be trapped." I'm not sure how to do it, though. Split the page, make it a disambig? Also needs to be combined with hydraulic ram in some manner, but that page seems to be talking about a completely different tool. anthony (see warning) 02:14, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hello Anthony, The trademark information was abstracted from here; I leave it to subsequent editorial judgment how generically to treat the article. Thanks - KJ Sam 20:41, 29 May 2004 (UTC)

I think you may have misread that page. It says "The original tool was a part system consisting of a 32-inch hydraulic spreader powered by a two cycle gasoline power unit." But that was only the original tool. "During the past 30 years the Jaws of Life product line has grown significantly. New spreaders, cutters, rams, and very lightweight tools have been added to the world-renowned line." The article (currently) mentions the spreader tool, but none of the others. I guess the best solution is to discuss the term (both the brand and generic use), but link to the individual tools. anthony (see warning) 12:46, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I tried my best to fix things up, but I'm really no expert in these tools and there isn't a whole lot of info online. I'll get a picture of a car lock I busted using one of these things when I get back from vacation. Hopefully the text will be fixed up by then, but it seems no one else wants to tackle this either. anthony (see warning) 13:18, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The Hale page as I recall was somewhat less detailed a year ago, so I took a cut at it;I think your efforts look fine so far. Regards. KJ Sam 07:34, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

more info needed
The article states "Rams are used far less than spreader-cutters in auto rescues; nonetheless, they serve an important purpose. There are many types and sizes, including single-piston". What is the important purpose???? We state that there is an important purpose but make no mention of what it is. Also, "There are many types.." is a new topic and should be new paragraph.

Merger with Hydraulic spreader
I propose that this page and Hydraulic spreader be merged. I think it's pretty obvious that the two pages are redundant; the question now is which name should be kept. While Jaws of Life has far more links, I think that the name should be something more generic, since the article says "The Jaws of Life products include hydraulic spreaders, cutters, rams, and other tools used for vehicle extrication," and, "The term has come to be used generically for any brand of these products, most often either spreaders or spreader/cutter hybrids, not just those manufactured by Hale Products." So it seems to me that this may be best served by a page detailing the range of rescue equipment, since it is unlikely that each type merits its own page. Sertrel 23:04, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Picture


Hi. I thought that this picture could be interesting for the article. The roof of the Renault Megáne Mark I has been cut off with Hydraulic Rescue Tools Randroide 09:47, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Major cleanup
I attempted to address the "article needs cleanup" message. I'll admit having no knowledge in this field, so mainly rearranged items and deleted headings and divisions I felt were overly technical or extraneous. Please feel free to correct any mistakes! --Mdresser 19:43, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

another company
Hi,

just wanted to say that Lukas-Hydraulik GmbH is another company producing spreaders. (http://www.lukas.de)

Cheers,
 * Stefan.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.171.146.215 (talk) 15:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC).

Biased Article???
When this article was originally created it was centered around 1 manufacturer Hurst.

I added in 2006 links to the other manufacturers websites to balance the article a bit.

Since then it seems that someone affiliated with Phoenix Rescue Tools has modified the page to be more one sided.

While the page in its current state is not as biased as it has been; it is also not as unbiased as it was and should be. I don't believe Wikipedia should be a sales tool. Lets provide some unbiased information.

--Malachite36 (talk) 07:26, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

208.39.175.67 (talk) 06:33, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Device used 8 years before the first prototype?
The intro paragraph says "The Jaws of Life were first used in 1963 as a tool to free race car drivers from their vehicles after crashes" but the history section says "the tool reached the prototype stage of development in 1971". What did they use in '63 if the tool didn't even reach prototype stage until '71? --80.223.64.234 (talk) 21:50, 12 March 2016 (UTC)