Talk:Hydristor

Written by inventor
This article about the Hydristor is apparently written by its inventor. Although this is a fascinating article in its current form, it needs to be edited into the standard Wikipedia article style. -- The Anome 08:30, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Starting the cleanup. Will cite as needed. jmswtlk 19:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Added in image (more coming), tied in with Categories, and will now link other pages to this, such as Continuously variable transmission. jmswtlk 19:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Verification
For continued discussion, see comments to the Business Week article including remarks by Tom.

Also, from Tom, here is a comment about improvements: "One such challenge is self obvious. If the engine is generally idling or completely off, the engine revolutions per mile on average go way down. Simple logic and 1+1=2 math dictate that if an engine currently rotates at several thousand Rpm at highway speeds and such an engine currently lasts 150-200,000 miles that the Hydristor coupled engine reducing the average revolutions per mile by 2-3 times will last 2-3 times longer (it's only wear!) and 500,000 miles is not unreasonable", recently received by e-mail. jmswtlk 12:38, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * This is a comment about verification. The spread of improvement thinking in our culture (6 sigma, etc.), plus subtle changes in our working philosophy (Wiki has plenty pages dealing with this - but go to the Quasi-empirical page for starters and follow the discussion), has led, in my mind, to too much emphasis on data (after all, data, as well, need scrutiny). Yet, at the same time, we see an abundance of focus on simulation and gaming as accurate analogs of life (essentially, data brought to life by algorithm and heuristic (more of this latter than the former)).


 * That Tom's idea can be seen, by some views, mostly in the 'thought experiment' stage and that it hasn't been tested more fully is the result of many things that ought to (will) be explored further. Yet, his model does appeal to the intuition (not necessarily a bad thing) and is extremely timely. jmswtlk 13:05, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Continuously Variable Transmission
Further from Tom, "I am establishing a new category of IVT; I am calling this category the 'MIVT' meaning 'Multiple Infinitely Variable Transmission'. The reason is that the Hydristor can do multiple, hydraulically separate but fluidically common variablly controlled jobs. As a Differential drive, the Hydristor can do additional jobs such as operating lift cylinders AND providing power steering on an industrial tractor (see the IFPE video on my website, [www.hydristor.com Hydristor.com]. A 4 chamber Hydristor can theoretically do up to 10 different functions.

In any situation where energy is processed, the Hydristor can have a significant impact. Cars, trucks, boats, off-road, elevators, forklifts, air conditioners and heat pumps, electrical generation by environmental heat capture, and even propellor powered flight with no fuel. I believe the car of the future will harvest the natural heat from the air and drive the cars for free with no emissions or fuel, and, go like blazes in the bargain." jmswtlk 12:43, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Hydristor Enthusiasm no Excuse for Psuedo Science
Although the Hydristor certainly is a great mechanical transmission concept, what is this crap about running it without needing any energy input, OR being able to extract the heat that is in the air to drive it. Jeesh, at first I thought the poster here was talking about some kind of temperature differential in the atmosphere to extract Gibbs free energy, but no, the guy is actually talking about a perpetual motion machine of the second kind. That kind of ignorant magical science shows where an uneducated purview will take you. (And when I say educated, I don't mean it having to come from a four year college. Any education will do, like simply reading Wikipedia and articles about conservation of energy, the second law of thermodynamics, and perpetual motion machines.) Just to let you know in street English, you CANNOT extract heat energy from a substance, like air, unless there is a temperature difference existing in it. A uniformly temperatured substance will not yield up energy unless you have another substance with a different temperature in which to let the heat flow into or out of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Garyonthenet (talk • contribs) 12:54, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Reminder, Tom is a college-degreed physicist and noted tinkerer. jmswtlk (talk) 14:36, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Criticism section
Moved an anonymous comment to a criticism section. This will be edited. jmswtlk (talk) 14:36, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Removed, pending re-write and reference pointers. By the way, to see some interchange between critics and Tom, look at the comment section for the Business Week article reference to which is found in the main article. jmswtlk (talk) 00:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Mea culpa. Did not see this earlier! The criticism moved today came in via anonymous means, just like that removed earlier (see this edit). However, now moving the text to a Criticism (new) section to split it out from the Details section, to be fair. jmswtlk (talk) 15:00, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Here is the criticism (entered anonymously) that was removed earlier:
 * One open issue involves the fundamental unworkability due to material wear. Unfortunately Mr Kasmer has never been able to verify his claims through an independant bench test, and as such effectiveness of this alleged device have never been proved. Excessive material wear cause the maintenance costs of this device prohibitive, and as such there are no verifiable sales or use. This is basically a rework of prior art from the late 19th century, early 20th century, and there have never been any commercial applications for it and the problems of that prior art have not been overcome to any practicable degree by Mr. Kasmer's reworking. This is an excellent example of something looking good on paper, but fundamentally flawed for consumer applications.              jmswtlk (talk) 15:15, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

"This friction is both pressure dependent and speed squared dependent due to RPM-squared centripetal forces". Wrong word, "centrifugal" not "centripetal". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.103.77.201 (talk • contribs) 109.103.77.201

Automotive X Prize
I removed reference to the Automotive X Prize because I could find no reference by any of the registered teams that they are using the Hydristor. If someone can find an entrant that is using the technology, we can add the reference back with a link to that particular user.--Stephreg (talk) 18:10, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Self-ref
Article should not link to talk page! Rich Farmbrough, 21:49, 25 October 2011 (UTC).

Outdated links
There are several that need to be updated. This is in the works. jmswtlk (talk) 03:00, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

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