Talk:Hyomin

Article name?
Why, in god's name, is this article named Park Hyomin? Her birth name is Park Sun-Young, her stage name is Hyomin. I've never seen her reffered to by that name and as far as I know no-one has ever called her that. I suggest we change the article name to simply Hyomin with possibly some disambiguation between parenthesis. DragonFury (talk) 16:53, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Since I got no feedback on this, I went ahead and changed the article name to Hyomin. DragonFury (talk) 14:14, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Good call. Stage names (WP:STAGENAME) in most cases do not have surnames (although, I am all in favor of surnames when it comes to WP:NCP). Tibbydibby (talk) 20:24, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Hyomin
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Regarding Hyomin's removed data
Hi,

So a few of Hyomin's career points were removed for reasons I still don't understand.

I'll describe these points briefly:

-In the other ventures section, her experience in the fashion industry, in general, was removed including her self-made cosmetic brand, her designed items, and her work as a stylist and photographer.. were all removed despite this work taking most of her career.

-In the awards section, I included the fact that Hyomin received 60 awards before her debut, since these are not notable awards to be included, I only mentioned those briefly.

- The whole ambassadorship section was removed for some reason when it plays a significant part in her career.

-Other removed data includes one of the biggest highlights of her career, including her acting debut, her music video debut, her first stage performances, and her first major contract offers. RWikiED20 (talk) 15:42, 2 July 2022 (UTC)


 * In one of your edit summaries, you stated Hyomin's first major contract offer and her acting debut have to be on her resumé. Sure, that is information that you would expect on someone's resumé, but Wikipedia is NOT a resumé and we are not here to list every detail just because they happened. You also said This is her career, it's not your business or mine to say it's promotional or not. Well, actually it is. We aren't here to promote anyone via the articles. Articles should remain neutral and not be filled with every little thing someone has done. Alex (talk) 18:59, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Awards
Several awards were removed for no actual reason. Would like to discuss why. Here is an article made by QQ China, the article is published by QQ news, not a fan blog or a random news site and not affiliated with the research company. 
 * Vlive awards were all received by Hyomin after winning for straight months and there are official sources to prove that.
 * The China Powerstar award was received in China personally by Hyomin, the award/nominations are based on research made by Powestar, a leading Chinese research company.

Also, this is a secondary Korean source reporting on the Powerstar ranking, confirming its notability by using it as a metric for popularity in China. 

@nkon21 RWikiED20 (talk) 18:56, 4 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, I was pinged here by another editor from WP:Teahouse. You can just click on the "Mention a user" icon next time when if you want to ping me.
 * 1) Regarding V Live Awards, that source looks like it was talking about topping their own chart, which is hardly notable for Wikipedia. However, when I looked at articles of winners of the official 2019 V Live Awards (Newsen, Another Korean newspaper), none of them were mentioned. So they don't look like official awards.
 * 2) China Powerstar awards looks fine to me. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  21:08, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) The awards Hyomin received were for the Vietnam segment (V HEARTBEAT) and not the Korean one, meaning only songs released in Vietnam were eligible to be nominated/win. The awards you're talking about are focused on Korean artists.
 * Also, those awards were presented by Vlive based on number of subscribers, video likes...Hyomin's awards were based on official MV data (Views, likes..)+votes and a survey, so not sure how you can consider the other as more notable.
 * Another thing you clearly didn't notice, the stage of Kpop award Hyomin got was based on that same data by the same company. The awards were presented by V Heartbeat too. V Heartbeat also held ceremonies during the year, Hyomin performed in one of those and received her award (one of the 4).
 * 2) So Powerstar awards can be added now? RWikiED20 (talk) 13:54, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I do not see any evidence that V Live Awards Vietnam is an actual separate awards ceremony. If looks like that source was just talking about her songs topping V Live's Vietnam network instead of winning an official award. Therefore, it should not be added. As there are secondary sources that cover the Powerstar awards, I think it's okay. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  19:49, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You should recheck, the link I gave shows Hyomin attending Vlive 2019 awards, a different ceremony from the Korean one, thiis one was for Vietnam music only which Hyomin was eligible for since she officially released music in Vietnam.
 * One more thing, Hyomin's song "Cabinet" for which Hyomin received the awards was released exclusively on Vlive at first. RWikiED20 (talk) 21:31, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * When you do a simple Google search of "V Live Awards Vietnam", nothing shows up. They are non-notable awards. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  21:45, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * How is this about a google search? So if a local art committee gave out awards they wouldn't be included because they don't show up on google?
 * The same awards ceremony in Korea was presented in Vietnam so how was one relevant and not the other?
 * We've already established that Vlive is one of the biggest Kpop platforms and has helped spread the Hallyu wave worldwide since 2015, so the presenting company is "Notable". Also, the awards given to Hyomin had no less value than the Korean ones since both had the same if not better score calculating methodology not to mention they were all physical awards. I mean if a random voting award like Brand Of The Year is considered "notable" I don't understand how awards from a platform as big as Vlive are not;
 * Here is a link: ; This is about the V Heartbeat ceremony, and as you can see, all awards were for music performances in Vietnam, all attendees were Vietnamese except Hyomin who took the "Stage of Kpop" title, an award given based her song's performance and AWARDS in the country.
 * RWikiED20 (talk) 13:59, 7 September 2022 (UTC)