Talk:Hyperdimension Neptunia/Archive 1

5pb. and Red Entertainment DLC characters
Hi.

On the Japanese site for Neptune, a recent update shows two more DLC characters on the way, representing 5pb. and Red Entertainment, as well as who will be voicing them. Nao is voicing the former, but who is listed as the voice of the latter? --Nerroth (talk) 03:38, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Derived from Sega Neptune?
This bit is completely uncited and the link at the end doesn't prove anything about the information.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.187.76.46 (talk) 18:53, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

The DLC section
Do we really need to list all of the DLC that can be purchased for the game as well as its price? Almost all new games have dlc, so unless we can get reliable sources on this, maybe cut? Vivio Testa rossa  Talk 02:06, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I've "cut" the DLC information from the page as it didn't seem to be notable. In case anyone wants to restore it, the content was:

Quests are free in the PlayStation Network, and most serve to extend the game's sub-plots. The DLC quests include but are not limited to:
 * 99 Knights
 * A Goddess' Memory
 * Alchemy Helper
 * Bourne Hazard
 * Dragon With A Blue Shadow
 * Gameindustri Memories
 * Giant Bull Awakens
 * Glistening Memorial
 * Lost Employee
 * World's Labyrinth -- A Tyrant Who Reigns Over The Labyrinth

Numerous Game Items are available, and they serve to assist or decorate the characters. They range from $0.99 per item to $2.49 an item. Game items include but are not limited to: Swimsuit Outfits for every character, including Gust and Nisa, are also available for $2.49.
 * Apple Beret (Compa)
 * Black Kitty (Neptune)
 * Cat Ears (Black Heart)
 * Chef Hat (IF)
 * Green Dot (White Heart)
 * Mystic Hat (Green Heart)

Points DLC are items that assist gameplay. $0.99 is charged per Points item. Points DLC include but are not limited to: Nisa and Gust are involved in the story, and join Neptune, but to make them playable, you must purchase their Battle Ticket (Points) for $1.99. To view the in-game events for 5pb and Red, you must purchase their Events (Points) item for $3.99. Vivio Testa rossa  Talk 17:34, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Black Heart Booster 1
 * Compa Booster 1
 * Green Heart Booster 2
 * IF Booster 1
 * White Heart Booster 3
 * Neptune Final Booster
 * Level Cap +200 (Increases MAX Level)
 * Level Cap +200 (2)
 * Level Cap +300

Removal of section about "Naruto Storm Revolution"
I have removed a section about HDN characters appearing in Naruto Storm Revolution. Including this is venturing towards trivia, in my opinion, and since this article is specifically about the HDN game, we really don't need to talk about cameo character appearances in other games here. This information can be included in the specific article about the Naruto game, if it really needs to be included. Furthermore, Neptunia characters have made cameo appearances in multiple games, including Monster Monpiece and Akiba's Trip 2; we shouldn't be making arbitrary inclusions of mention here. Let's just stick to talking about the HDN game here within this article; there is no need to mention that certain games feature character cameos. -- benlisquare T•C•E 08:28, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Requesting Split
"Hyperdimension Neptunia" --> "Hyperdimension Neptunia (2009 Video Game)" + "Hyperdimension Neptunia (Series)"

Please share your opinion. Thank you. --(B)～（ー．ー）～(Z) (talk) 17:02, 31 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment: I wouldn't mind a split, and I personally don't have any reason to oppose one, however - what is there to split? There isn't much content within the article to warrant a split in the first place. If you'd like to create a new page for the franchise, that's perfectly fine. Most of the current article is about the first game, whilst there are two other separate articles for the sequels at Hyperdimension Neptunia Mk2 and Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory; there is pretty much no overlap between each of these articles. The one-paragraph "anime" section within this article is currently too small to warrant its own article, unless expansion work is done. The original reason why we don't have a page about the animation is (presumably) because people haven't taken the effort to write a proper, detailed page on it. Re;Birth 1 is largely an enhanced remake of HDN, so I don't think a separate article is warranted for that game. -- benlisquare T•C•E 21:22, 31 October 2013 (UTC)


 * In that case, I can work on creating the series page and eventually move this article to its destination rather than splitting, and then I'll move the anime section to the new Article because the anime story is not prevalence in this game but the other two mentioned above. Would that be fine? --(B)～（ー．ー）～(Z) (talk) 09:26, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * That sounds fine. A note on titles though: it would be better to use Hyperdimension Neptunia (video game) and Hyperdimension Neptunia (series), disambiguations in parentheses are generally lowercase. Compare with Civilization (series) and Civilization (video game), or Half-Life (series) / Half-Life (video game). Though, we could alternatively decide on a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC instead of adding disambiguators to both articles, as seen in the cases Metal Gear / Metal Gear (video game), Crash Bandicoot / Crash Bandicoot (video game), Age of Empires / Age of Empires (video game), BioShock (series) / BioShock, BloodRayne (series) / BloodRayne, Max Payne (series) / Max Payne, Red Faction (series) / Red Faction. In this case, we need to decide whether the first game is the primary topic, or the series is. -- benlisquare T•C•E 09:41, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The Main Article should be the series while this game will be under it due to it's incomplete structure. Thus, Hyperdimension Neptunia (series) will be the series while Hyperdimension Neptunia (video game) will be this article's next destination. However, I wonder if this page should be used as a disambiguation page? --(B)～（ー．ー）～(Z) (talk) 11:43, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * We generally avoid disambiguation pages if there are only two or so things that need to be disambiguated. In such cases, one article is chosen to be the primary topic, and is either redirected from the generic name or takes the place of the generic title, whilst the other article has a WP:Hatnote at the top. -- benlisquare T•C•E 12:31, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm working on the series in my Sandbox now. Please check back later. Thank you. --(,･∀･)ノシ(BZ) (talk) 10:58, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Now I have split it into Hyperdimension Neptunia for the series and Hyperdimension Neptunia (video game) for the first game. --Cartakes (talk) 16:49, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Split
The character list should be split from the main franchise article. That way the setting for the main franchise and each of the individual games can focus on describing in prose which characters are in the game and their roles such as main or supporting character, antagonist / boss character, which ones are playable. The way it stands there are character lists in each game article that are heavily redundant. This also allows character design considerations to be documented. -AngusWOOF (talk) 23:40, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Great idea, i think that this could work for this page, ya know! :-) Norozco1 (talk) 00:43, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Sources for Blanc plus Neptune vs. Zombie Army
If anyone wants to expand the article with information about the upcoming Blanc game, here are a few good sources: Regards, -- benlisquare T•C•E 08:42, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Dengeki PlayStation volume 593 (9 July 2015 issue), page 70-71.
 * Dengeki PlayStation volume 593 (9 July 2015 issue), page 72-73.

2015-07-09
Here's some even more new information that's just been released today.
 * Dengeki PlayStation volume 594 (23 July 2015 issue), page 58-59.
 * Introductory page.


 * Dengeki PlayStation volume 594 (23 July 2015 issue), page 60-61.
 * Introducing a new protagonist: Sega Hatsumi (瀬賀初美), voiced by Emi Nitta, and drawn by Tsunako. IF (the in-game character) has a new character designer, Hirano Katsuyuki (平野克幸), who is the artist for Moero Chronicle.


 * Dengeki PlayStation volume 594 (23 July 2015 issue), page 62-63.
 * New actions include sneaking, hanging and climbing. Planned collaborations between HDN Neptunia VII and Makai Shin Trillion announced.

Until next time, -- benlisquare T•C•E 18:02, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Proposed merge with List of Hyperdimension Neptunia characters
Since the characters aren't the subject of commentary separate from the games themselves, the characters should be mentioned as necessary in the plot sections of each corresponding game's article. The main series article could have an overview of the main/recurring characters, but there isn't reason to keep the list separate, where it collects minor characters and video game trivia. czar 03:12, 14 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose per original split as characters are common to the entire franchise multiple works and having them listed in each article is heavily redundant. It should also not be in the franchise article as there are tens of characters that are common to the franchise, making the franchise article too long. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 03:55, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Why do we need those tens of characters when they have no secondary source coverage? czar  04:21, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Have you looked at the article? There is secondary source coverage in the form of game reviews and cast announcements. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 05:59, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't see a single source on the minor characters. The point is that our coverage should be proportional to that of secondary sources. If sources aren't covering the characters as an entity separate from the games themselves, then we shouldn't either. czar  06:11, 14 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I'd advocate removing most of the "introduced in (game)" characters. Unless they are main villains for a particular game, they only detract from the point of having a franchise-based list of characters. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:13, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Removed them, but aren't the other supporting character lists, etc., excessive as well? czar  15:28, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
 * If it were just the first title, yes, they would be excessive, however, in subsequent titles the secondary characters have larger roles, making for a large body of work. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:36, 16 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment - Let me do some digging. The niche websites sure love these games. There might be commentary out there... Sergecross73   msg me  15:47, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I've beefed up the sections for eight of the main characters per the NIS America website and added a reception section that is based on WP:VG/RS secondary sources. As expected with most character lists, there are good chunks of primary, such as their basic description, personality, and role in the game that a secondary review would just repeat until it is WP:BLUE (e.g. Neptune has purple hair and is cheerful) There are also a bunch of interviews with Mizuno that can be used as references for the development section. And this is just touching the main game. Haven't even gotten to detailing and citing much of the others in the franchise. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:30, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * This is a good expansion but I'm not seeing the justification for why this needs to be split from the main article, or otherwise, what kind of secondary sourcing about the characters themselves is justifying the preemptive split czar  22:03, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * How have other character lists that are split from their video game franchises handled? Those all use primary source for main descriptions and secondary source reviews and news articles? Am I missing something in coverage? Given there are separate articles for 4 main video games, 3 spinoffs, anime and manga, That's a lot of franchise whose character sections would be heavily redundant without the separate list. Mk2 official site lists 20 notable characters. Victory lists 21. VII lists up to 30. Given the updated sources, this may become big enough to split by size alone. WP:SIZESPLIT AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:26, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * There would have to be enough secondary coverage on the major characters (the bulk of the character list) to warrant a split. (The question is really why should it be split out, not whether it should be merged in.) List of The Last of Us characters is a great example: the characters received significant and dedicated coverage as a group topic apart from the game itself (sure the characters were discussed in the context of the game, but the articles are in-depth about the characters, not culled from reviews of the main media). czar  22:48, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * It helps that there are art books and interviews with the developers. I believe the Neptunia series has similar coverage but most of it is in Japanese interviews and art books which would be more difficult to search. I did find some characters discussed in detail. I also want to note that the first paragraph for each of The Last of Us characters is all "appearance in video game" information which is not footnoted and assumed to be primary source. Anyway, if it ends up merging here instead of being AFD'ed it will have lots of referencing regardless to beef up all sorts of sections. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:15, 17 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose With the sources added I do not seeing how a merge would be beneficial. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:45, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. I use hyperbole sparingly but User:Czar has been going on a literal one-man crusade to redirect fictional character articles and lists en masse over the last couple of months over a very strict interpretation of WP:N and WP:GNG, and this is yet another example. It has already raised complaints, as well as several heated AfD debates, so please slow down a bit. The amount of sources here is easily sufficient for a split from Hyperdimension Neptunia. Per WP:LISTN, "the entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been. Because the group or set is notable, the individual items in the list do not need to be independently notable." This proposal is unpleasantly harsh. Satellizer   (´ ･ ω ･ `)  11:01, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * To CZAR's credit, some of the AfD debates were justified, the biggest thing that irked me was that one bundled together AfD. As for the redirects, yeah I do agree with a slowdown as not all of them can be lumped into the same boat. CZAR maybe you can look for unreferenced lists? A redirect is also by no means a forever solution, unlike a deleteion it can easily be undone with sources added. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:13, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * My recent nominations show that I already have. The hyperbolism in the above comment helps no one. (This proposal is "harsh"? It's a standard and levelheaded merge proposal.) Many others have acknowledged issues with these character lists, and having a few people brigade the discussions hurts the encyclopedia. When people outside the Anime project participate, you'll get to see how these lists really fit in the encyclopedia: they are largely outside the scope and being kept only by fiat. As for Satellizer's quote from LISTN, no one is arguing that the individual characters on this list need to be individually notable, but the concept of characters from this series needs to be independently notable (or else covered in a deluge of secondary sources) to warrant a split from the main article. Notice that I did not nominate this for deletion, but for a reasonable merge to its parent articles. czar  16:00, 21 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose Merge - Considering how closely the characters are tied to the premise of the game (every character represents a video game company or series), I find it hard to believe that there isn't enough sourcing related to the characters to meet the notability requirements. You've got:
 * Websites that do articles on the lists of the characters revealed in previews. Like here
 * Websites that run an article every times a new character is announced. Like here or here or here.
 * You've got game reviews that have paragraphs about the characters as a part of the review. Like here.
 * Of particular note too, is that point #1 and #2 above seem to be sourced to Japanese magazines, who are running articles on the characters. So there's more coverage there too. Sergecross73   msg me  16:56, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Points #1 and #2 are indisputably the most salient points in this discussion so far, though it's surprising that they aren't already included in the article. As the article stands, the vast majority of its content depends on primary sources (a coatrack). If the secondary sources as mentioned in points #1 and #2 were summarized within the main article (in a Character or Plot section), would there still be a need for a split of this content. czar  04:11, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep It has some real world information.Tintor2 (talk) 23:35, 23 March 2016 (UTC)