Talk:Hypericum

Reference Query
That line about AIDS and hypericum usage appears uncitated: I checked the only source the wiki page has and it makes no reference to any deaths caused by taking St. John's Wort. Can someone find a source for this? 24.69.177.42 (talk) 06:12, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I also query lack of citation regarding the line about HIV/AIDS and hypericum use. I cannot find any sources that confirm a link between deaths caused by taking St. John's Wort with HIV infection. St. John's Wort can however interact with certain drugs such as contraceptive pill, immune suppressant drugs used to prevent organ rejection in transplantation and antiviral drugs used in the treatment of HIV and concurrent use is therefore contraindicated.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.114.43 (talk) 14:12, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Layout suggestion
"As these secondary compounds appear to be related to deterring herbivores, they are present in varying and unpredictable quantities" This doesn't make sense - related to herbivores? Is this supposed to say "appear to have evolved as a herbivore deterrant" or something to that effect? Silasmellor (talk) 09:55, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Scope
A good article should cover the subject reasonably well. This article does not. Apart from the intro, there is not a description of the plants themselves, no description of their ecology (or there is, but it is extremely narrow), no description of the distribution range, no description of relatedness to other genuses or groupings among the 500 species. --Ettrig (talk) 09:14, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Layout suggestion
This is a layout that I suggest. It's basic, but it is some sort of template


 * Etymology
 * Taxonomy and evolution (or separate the two into their own section, I wonder if it has a fossil record and estimation of when the first Hypercium plants emerged)
 * Description
 * Distribution and diversity
 * Ecology*
 * ...insert other sections
 * Relationship with humans
 * As pests
 * In medicine
 * Cultivation

I'm sure there would be many more sections, but this is what I'd go with as a start off. Burklemore1 (talk) 08:14, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Topic Coordination For Hypericum
Hello! I am Fritzmann2002. I have spent a lot of time working on creating articles for the many species of Hypericum. This process is very time consuming, and I am not very good at creating large articles with many different features, etcetera. To try to better the coverage of this interesting genus, I wanted to call together some editors to collaborate and learn with me and to accomplish these goals:
 * Bring the main Hypericum article to Good Article status
 * Have a Start Class article for every species in the genus, or at least those in the selected species list
 * Have an image of said species of every article
 * Create the necessary non-article material, e.g. redirects, categories, stub templates, and the like

If you would like to assist me in this, please add your name below and say what you would like to help with:

Fritzmann2002 16:22, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

marsh St. John's wort
The European marsh St. John's wort (Hypericum elodes) seems to be still in Hypericum, so it seems that the statement about Triadenum needs to be made more precise. Lavateraguy (talk) 17:00, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, User:Lavateraguy! In the future, be sure to sign your talk page messages with four tildes (~). In response to your statement, I have found some statements online (USDA site) that say H. elodes is definitely now in Triadenum, but none have very complete information on the genus. However, I couldn't find any that explicitly say that the species is still in Hypericum. I will place a tag next to the statement and you may feel free to find sources that prove your point; if you find notable ones, feel free to change the statement. Fritzmann2002 13:47, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't see where the USDA site places the European Hypericum elodes in Triadenum. Nor does a Google search find any references to Triadenum elodes or Triadenum palustris.
 * Separating Triadenum might have been a new change that hadn't propagated into Europe, but on investigated I find that there's a 2011 dissertation that suggests that sections Elodes and Adenotrias should be excluded from Hypericum (but not placed in Triadenum) - presumably resurrecting genus Elodes (but excluding Triadenum). Lavateraguy (talk) 17:00, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I understand what you are saying, and don't object to your changes. The USDA site places marsh St. John's wort in Triadenum, but you are correct that it does not place Hypericum elodes (European marsh St. John's wort) in Triadenum. Your statement that you added is well written and I agree with what it says. Thanks for that change, Fritzmann2002 18:09, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Why merge? Why?
Why in the world do you want to merge the articles? There is absolutely no reason for it! They are about two different topics. There is already a List of Hypericum species article. The section articles add on to this, but should not be merged into Hypericum or the list of species. Fritzmann2002 17:29, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I think the basic problem here is that you're creating too many sublists. Section is not a recognized entry in a taxonomic breakdown. The List of Hypericum species already contains an exhaustive list; the breakdown of the list into sections is not founded on reliable sources. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:33, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected. And yet, my assertion doesn't change much. The single list of all species could easily be organized by section, without requiring a separate list for each section. I would recommend you take that up at Talk:List of Hypericum species. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:29, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I do see where you are coming from. I feel that there should be some way to have some redirect for the sections of Hypericum, however. Perhaps what could be done is, like you said, break the species list up by section and redirect the sections to their respective, ah, section. I have some other Wiki-work I'd like to do today, but I will get to working on that. Fritzmann2002 13:23, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with that plan, but you should mention it at Talk:List of Hypericum species just to make sure there's no objection. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:40, 3 March 2016 (UTC)