Talk:Hyrcanus II

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Political authority rested with the Romans whose interests were represented by Antipater, who primarily promoted the interests of his own house.

The link (Antipater) leads to Antipater son of Herod the Great. I think it's supposed to be Herod's father Antipater the Idumean. 98.17.83.27 (talk) 17:19, 1 December 2008 (UTC) The Disambiguation needs to be clarified and improved. Das Baz, aka Erudil 20:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Date Notation Establishment
I believe Jerm is misreading WP:ERA, but as he's rejected opening a Talk section I'm doing it. It says "Use either the BC–AD or the BCE–CE notation consistently within the same article". As this was a mixed article, I changed it all to BC. He reverted, accusing me of adding unsourced dates (I added no dates, as is obvious per the edit history) and changing the established style. His argument seems to be resting on another WP:ERA note that reads "Do not change the established era style in an article unless there are reasons specific to its content." My view is that that only refers to an article where a style has actually been established. In other words, it's not coincidental that that clause appears after the one that says mixed styles are improper, and is not meant to override the first clause; inconsistent dates are not an "established era style". I feel that I'm right in establishing a style, he seems to think I'm improper in changing the mix despite the specific charge against having a mix in WP:ERA. So what is proper in this case? Palindromedairy (talk) 18:34, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I have already sent you a message on your talk page, and per WP:BRD, you were supposed to start the discussion which you did of course. The only thing I got wrong was assuming you changed the dates. Since you started the discussion, I'm going to echo the same message I sent at your talk page here. The era-style for this article was originally BCE/CE until someone changed it to BC/AD without consensus. I have restored it though. If you see an article that has a mixed era-style, you need to view the oldest edit of the article and find which era-style was implemented first. That is your established era-style. Do not guess or assume. Jerm (talk) 18:50, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm only suppose to start Talk if I'm changing the established style: you just replied to a para explaining why I didn't think there was one, but didn't answer the questions I set out concerning that. As far as I'm concerned I established a style in the absence of one, and you changed it, but can see how the wording on WP:ERA is vague enough that is up for argument: hence my questions above.  As for always using the oldest style no matter what, I think you've been here long enough to know that that's not how it works.  After an undetermined period of time that has never been really settled, the original style is ignored if a new style comes to dominate (otherwise a whole lot of random articles are about to be reverted to BC/AD on your say-so, and a lot of other BC/AD ones to BCE/CE).  The article was entirely set to BC back in Jan 2011, and seems to have begun to drift to mixed only five years later, so I'm hardly making a bold new edit: the (small) majority of this article's life has been spent either as BC or mixed BC/BCE.
 * I'm happy to leave this one as you've set it, but would appreciate an answer to my question concerning WP:ERA. Palindromedairy (talk) 19:10, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Something looks very wrong with Josephus' or Wikipedia's story about Aretas, Hyrcanus, and Aristobulus.
Josephus writes that ARETAS AND HYRCANUS MADE AN EXPEDITION AGAINST ARISTOBULUS AND BESIEGED JERUSALEM, but Wikipedia says the opposite, that Aristobulus defeated Hyrcanus, who was hiding in Jerusalem. Josephus literally wrote: "AFTER these promises had been given to Aretas, he made an expedition against Aristobulus with an army of fifty thousand horse and foot, and beat him in the battle. And when after that victory many went over to Hyrcanus as deserters, Aristobulus was left desolate, and fled to Jerusalem". https://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/josephus/ant-14.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rakovsky (talk • contribs) 01:00, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure, An article's established era style should not be changed witout reasons specific to its content; seek consensus on the talk page first per WP:ERA. Someone changed it here to BC/CE without consensus. Jerm (talk) 19:26, 9 November 2019 (UTC)