Talk:Hyundai Sonata/Archive 1

Embera
Hey, the fourth generation Sonata is also called the Sonata embera, can anyone make a not of this?--Rsrikanth05 10:09, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Transform
The article reads that the fourth generation of Sonata is also called "Hyundai Sonata Transform". Wouldn't this version be the fifth generation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.208.206.171 (talk) 14:21, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Sonata Transform is a facelifted version of 4th gen. btw, I didn't know that from the 1st gen to current model, it was already called NF in some countries outside of Korea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.211.200.93 (talk) 07:53, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

engine for second gen
ok, somebody is definitely playing with second gen sonata. there is no way it's equipped with 12 liter that boosts 1800hp. can anyone replace this with right data?

RE:engine for second gen
I was going to fix it, but somebody beat me to it. You people are right somebody had been vandalizing and I know vandalism is prohibited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevjgav (talk • contribs) 19:34, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Size Classification
Beginning with the 2006 remodel, "Officially, the Sonata is classified by the government as a "large car" due to overall interior volume." The same Edmunds article refers to the Sonata as competing in the mid-size segment. So there is some room for conflict in calling the car either mid-size or full-size. Thoughts?842U (talk) 01:02, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

LI changed the size classification. From 1985 thru 2005 it was a midsize, while 2006 and later models are full-size. That's my thought Kevjgav (talk) 04:48, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Marketing puff piece
The sections on 5th and 6th generation models is obviously written by the company itself. Sentences like: "The 6th Sonata adopts Hyundai's new "fluidic sculpture" design language, boasts an increase in performance, and an improvement in safety features and fuel efficiency. It incorporates state-of-the-art technology to elevate the Hyundai brand" all coming wiht no citations (the entire 6th generation section only has 5 citations and most of it only relates to engine details. IMO this needs a complete re-write 207.81.141.208 (talk) 00:21, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Safety
It is an update of reports that 'Sonata and BMW 5-series' are the only two top safety rating vehicles tested. In Nov, 2010, Honda Accord, as cited by source material, is reported to surpass Hyundai Sonata's in NHTSA's crash test rating.---North wiki (talk) 18:25, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * this page is not honda page. Go porch books (talk) 18:41, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Looking at the Bloomberg story, there are now six vehicle models that have Five Star ratings. It's no longer just the Sonata and 5-series. Accordingly, I've reworded the article to say that Sonata is one of six models with the rating. —C.Fred (talk) 18:43, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

North wiki
It is obvious North wiki are deliberately adding negative information about Hyundai (and Honda POV pushing) without giving any indication why it is significant. This is Tendentious editing. There are thousands upon thousands of vehicle recalls every year, and most of them are not significant. You can't go on a mission to put mention of every recall into all the articles. The policy undue weight explains why.

Also, Honda recalled 57,000 faulty brake. This is the significant issue than early fix of hyundai. Go porch books (talk) 19:09, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, But, North wiki said, "I suggest you raise the issue of significance in the discussion page and seek consensus" same thing apply at honda pages.


 * Honda recalled 57,000 faulty brake = significant.
 * hyundai recalled 17 faulty horse = Is it significant?


 * Why my edit is bad, North wiki's edit is good? please explain this. Go porch books (talk) 19:23, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

US Sales By Calendar Year
Can we not find these same figures for any other country? I've looked but not found them, surely there must be a source for other markets? Thanks  J e n o v a  20 11:49, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I have updated the Sales table to now include Canada sales from 2004 to 2012. Also originally the 2000 US sales number was 666, which did not seem like an accurate value, hence I removed it. I also could not find any sources that validated the sales numbers for US from 1989 -2000. I would have liked to include the European sales, but the only source I could find was on the Hyundai website itself, and I am unsure if it can be used since it is a primary source. Danielle.lee92 (talk) 02:14, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

First Gen sold in Canada as Hyundai Stellar II
According to Rockline Autoparts Catalog it was called Hyundai Stellar II in export markets.Kevjgav (talk) 01:14, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * That may just be how Rockline chooses to differentiate the facelifted Stellar from the original one - I don't think it a sufficient reference until I see something better (brochure or some such).  ⊂&#124; Mr.choppers &#124;⊃   (talk) 05:07, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * All I know is it wasn't sold in the United States and I would guess because of the emissions standards that it probably failed to meet. Kevjgav (talk) 06:10, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * If the first gen was sold in Canada, (I guess as the Stellar II, 87-88) can anyone verify that? Thank you.Kevjgav (talk) 18:25, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

EPA says Sonata is now full size car.
http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/class-high.htm if there is a question. Dennis Brown (talk) 17:21, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Another note: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KJI/is_12_117/ai_n15976079/ discussing the Azera being built on a stretched Sonata frame. The Azera does have a bigger trunk, and very slightly larger back seat area.  (I've owned both, a 2008 Azera and 2011 Sonata but using refs instead of my own judgement).  Regardless, the EPA classifies both as large cars. Dennis Brown (talk) 17:31, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note about comparing to Camry: The Camry is so large, it is barely within the size limitation for mid sized car, but it is and classified as such.  The Sonata is only slightly larger than the Camry, but enough so that is passes the threshold set by EPA to be classified as a large car. (based on info from kbb.com, comparing cars)  In some areas, the Camry has more room, ie: rear leg room, but in total cubic feet and other dimensions, the Sonata is larger, even if only slightly.  Regardless, for the purpose of classification in the article, we have to use a 3rd party references, which means not Hyundai's market placement, but in this case EPA's classification, hence why I have been changing it back to full/large size and provided citation.  If someone has a citation that demonstrates otherwise, please provide so we can discuss it.  Dennis Brown (talk) 17:58, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

In Russia (TAGAZ) from 2005 to 2010 was used g4gc beta engine, except the sirius one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.110.25.153 (talk) 15:30, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Awards section
The awards section was not categorized in a chronological order, so d(QQ)b changed it. d(QQ)b also added more awards and added citations. 2450jk996 added "citation needed" for all the awards categories with that required citations. 2450jk996 (talk) 02:41, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Education Program: Cornell University/Online Communities
Hello everyone! This is jk996 on behalf of Danielle.lee92, and d(QQ)b. We are three students at Cornell University enrolled in a semester long class (ends early December) Online Communities (INFO/COMM 3460). You can find more information about our class on our Course Page.

We see that there have been constant updates to the page, but there are still information that needs to be updated and modified. The following are the tasks we are planning to perform. Please feel free to reach out to us for more information, suggestions, concerns, or possible collaborations.

Sections To Work On
 * Fixing the awards section by organizing them by year, adding citations, and possibly arranging them into a table
 * Adding in a section about information regarding the next generation Sonata
 * Adding in a section about the Hybrid model
 * Adding a section about Hyundai Sonata factories, what countries they are located in.
 * Incorporating a European, Asian, and Global sales list
 * Editing the current text: incorporating some some of the suggestions on the talk page, removing typos, and checking for inaccurate information

Initial List of References

Hyundai USA - Sonata Hyundai European Retail Sales
 * Latest Hyundai Info / Sales List:

Spied: 2015 Hyundai Sonata breaks cover
 * Next Generation Sonata

2013 Hyundai Sonata Awards Hyundai Awards & Accolades: Sonata Lucky Magazine Contest Offers 2013 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid Grand Prize
 * Awards:

Fuel economy 2013 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid Review
 * Hybrid:

Hyundai Factories
 * Factory Info:

Hyundai Series 7
 * Multimedia:

Division of Labor
 * jk996 will focus on incorporating suggestions and editing and retrieving new factory information. She will also find more relevant resources from Korean and Chinese websites.
 * danielle.lee92 will be responsible for researching information for the next generation Sonata and input an extended sales list.
 * d(QQ)b will focus on researching hybrid models and fixing the awards section with the most recent updates.


 * I for one welcome your input, as well as your announcing yourself and your intent. There's a helpful page for this kind of thing if you have further questions. Happy editing. However, you mustn't delete the previous conversations, I have restored the existing content.  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  01:32, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

@User:Mr.choppers Thank you for your prompt response. We are new to the Wikipedia community, so we would really appreciate your help. Thank you for the useful tips. We will be careful of editing the content, and ask before making changes that we aren't completely sure about. Moreover, I was wondering if there is a better way to edit the looks of the page. It seems like there are big spaces between the different generations... 2450jk996 (talk) 05:24, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Question regarding First Generation Sonata, with proper citations (Korean Newspapers from 1990s), is it possible to add that (1) used in Korea as taxis until 1997 (2) sold until 1992 although the second generation came out in 1990 (3) made in 1985 to compete against Daewoo's Royal series? Example of electronic copies of Korean newspapers from 1990s

2450jk996 (talk) 05:33, 28 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Those all sound reasonable to me, especially with citations. The white spaces are okay, as they make room for the infoboxes. As more material is added, the blank spaces will diminish. Cheers,  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  06:21, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

We asked a manager who works at Hyundai HQ to go over the information on this article to see if there were any major changes we should make. He did provide us with some sales information, but after talking to TeaHouse, it seems like we shouldn't quote the Hyundai website nor the employees, since it looks promotional. Is there any way to include the sales information without making it look promotional? 2450jk996 (talk) 04:57, 11 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Feedback from Prof. Leshed:
 * This is an interesting proposal and looks like you have ample sources to make substantial changes and contributions to the article. It is also encouraging that you are already getting feedback from other editors and engaging in conversations with them on your edits. Here are some additional suggestions to strengthen your project:
 * Put the educational assignment template on the top of this talk page.
 * Be careful about linking to the Hyundai website as a source so it does not look promotional, which is something Wikipedia doesn't like.
 * At least one of the group members needs to be comfortable with the wiki markup language and become familiar with the Wikipedia standards and guidelines to ensure you are following them and "wikifying" all your edits.
 * Happy editing! LeshedInstructor (talk) 15:31, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Feedback from Keith Newman:

Hey guys! I'm a TA for Online Communities. Here are a few tips:


 * If you're planning on adding more pictures to the page, get started early. Take a look at the Wikipedia Image Uploading Guidelines. They have a pretty strict policy about images being public domain. It's definitely possible to get pictures up, but it can take a while, so the sooner you start the better your odds are.
 * Take a look at similar pages to get an idea of new features you can add to this page. Then you can just click the Edit button on that page and see the exact syntax they used.
 * It's awesome that you're already communicating with members of the Wikipedia community. Definitely take advantage of that! Try looking into the associated WikiProjects to see if you can spark any interest there.
 * Good luck and have fun! KeithJewman (talk) 19:58, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

7th generation (LF)
The new 7th generation Sonata (LF) was showed in Korea on March 24 (2014). You should create a new section about it.




 * If you have some links, please drop them by, I'm sure someone would be happy to create the section as soon as there is enough verification. I'm still enjoying my 2011 Sonata LE 2.0T, with 65k miles on it and lots more to go.  The one in the photo looks very nice, hard to tell it is a new generation, which is why the links are needed.  Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  20:00, 29 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Currently creating the new section as a project for a class. Worked at the plant so will be adding some details that you usually wouldn't find online. How do I ensure that, that type of information doesn't get omitted as it doesn't have a readily linked source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Superkfortune (talk • contribs) 03:30, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Second gen used MPI for all engines?
I noticed that there was a source where this wasn't mentioned, so I just edited that stating that it needs references to reliable sources as of September 2014. I am currently looking for at least one source that said these engines did, in fact, have MPI. If someone else can help me find a reliable source, I'd appreciate that. I have reason to believe that the 1.8 liter and 2.0 liter engines in the second gen Sonata did have more advanced features than those in the first gen, one of those features being MPI. But like I just said, I am looking for at least one reliable source and if someone else could help, that would be nice.--Kevjgav (talk) 19:02, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

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Hyundai i40 replaced the Sonata in Europe
The Sonata isn't sold in Europe, we have the i40. It replaced the fifth generation, i think you should add that in — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.221.253.253 (talk) 11:42, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

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