Talk:IB Diploma Programme/Archive 1

GPA Debate
Currently, Texas is debating over setting a strict GPA system for all schools in the state, for all programs. That means that all students will be given the same amount of grade points for their grades, whether they're in regulars, AP, or IB. Don't know if this should be added or anything, but there it is. Anonymous 71.97.79.86 (talk) 22:22, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Group 6
Unles i missed it, should it not be noted that it is possible to use group 6 to specialise, and take another group 2, 3 or 4 subject??

thanks. Massau (talk) 16:36, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protection
This article should be semi-protected because of all the nonsense some people are writing. Kevin23 04:49, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Again, semi-protect the damn article!!! - Kevin23 03:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed  Connör  ( talk ) 18:40, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

just deleted another load of rubbish... Massau (talk) 22:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed.
Heck yeah, You are right. I'm in the same boat as you, and feel the same way. Agreed.

Under-recognized
I'm a 1st year IB diploma student in Syracuse, New York. I have seen and heard of very few universities and places of higher learning appreciating the IB program. I would like everyone out there to know that I work... a lot more than the students enrolled in the basic regents program at my school!

shame on you!

That is true in the United States, where AP is better recognized. However, that is not true elsewhere (the UK).

Reply: The article starts out with something like, "...is the most widely recognized pre-university program," but in the recognition section, there are very few citations. Do you know any studies, statistics, etc? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.34.2.98 (talk) 12:36, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Is this official?
From the article:
 * Group 4: experimental sciences - Subjects such as physics, chemistry, biology, environmental systems and design technology. In some countries, such as Finland, students are allowed to choose three subjects from this group and none from Group 6 (((or group 3))), as it is required for admission into some universities.

Choosing three subjects from group 4 and none from group 6 would be a normal diploma + 1 certificate. Choosing three from group 4 and none from groups 3 & 6 would fail the IB diploma criteria, but would perhaps be accepted by some universities. This is an article about IB diploma, not about university requirements. Can someone figure out what was intended here, and fix it accordingly?--Niels Ø 13:46, 10 October 2005 (UTC)


 * The IBO allows students in Finland to pick three subjects from group 4 and none from group 3 to satisfy the requirements of certain faculties (such as medicine or biochemistry) of some universities. These students have to apply for special permission from the organisation (they nearly always get it), and they do receive the full Diploma without having to take any group 3 subjects. I think this is rather clearly stated in the article as it is, but if you want to change the wording, feel free to do so. :) - ulayiti (talk)  15:43, 10 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Wait,so you can choose three subjects from group 3/4 which will take place of subjects from group 3,4 and 6?Can someone site the source of that, cause I'm not sure my coordinator will believe 'Some Wikipedia article' ?

In new zealand most unis require 3 sciences for medicine. To get around this, IB students at my school take three group 4 subjects and no group 3 or 6. Or, they anticipate one subject (eg their group 3) and take the third science in that spare option line in their 2nd year of IB Leeni247leeni247


 * This is provided for with a "non-regular diploma". In Turkey, for example, high school students are required to study a set curriculum which for science majors does not include a time slot or the option for a Group 3 subject. 18 months before the exams the school can request a non-regular diploma, along with documentation of the reasons for not completing the hexagon as designed, such as official curriculum documents from the Ministry of Education. Also, Group 6 can be used as an elective, that is, a second subject from Groups 2-5, so the "non-regular" nature is just 1 extra Group 4 subject in the place of 1 Group 3 subject. Refer to Handbook of Procedures (Vade Mecum), Candidate Registration, section C2.

'Student websites'
I removed the bit that was added by an anon user about student websites since it read like glorified linkspam for the website that was mentioned there. That there are websites should be evident from the fact that there is an external links section in the article. However, if someone else wants to put it back, I'll reconsider my view. - ulayiti (talk)  12:21, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * While I agree with ulayiti on removing that paragraph about student websites, I think there may be a place in this article for discussing such entities. I was the lone diploma candidate at my public high school (just before the Internet); the ability to interact with other "full" IB students would have made a difference in my experience.  I am sure that these non-school websites have changed how some students go through the diploma programme. -Acjelen 14:24, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit sceptical on this... the external links section is there already to give weblinks, and while I agree that the websites are an important thing for some IB students, they aren't that for even nearly all of them. Ibscrewed is probably the major one of these, and even it is far from meeting the notability criteria at WP:WEB, so it definitely shouldn't have its own article and probably not its own section in this article. However, there could be a more general section on 'IB culture' (if such a thing exists and if it's not too vulnerable to speculation and POV), which could briefly mention ibscrewed. - ulayiti (talk)  15:17, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I removed the link on Matt Shepperd, Matt Shepperd of kstrut.com is Australian and not the link subject 02/12/2006

'similar or superior'
''In Canada and the United States, some IBDP courses are recognised as equivalent to university/college-level courses, and universities and colleges may award entering students with first-year credit for high IB exam scores. In this regard it is similar to the Advanced Placement Program, or superior to it, depending on the institute of higher learning in question. UCAS rates the AP programmes to be of GCE AS level difficulty, which is roughly equivalent to the standard level of IB Diploma subjects. However, universities in the United Kingdom accept the IB Diploma on a par with A-levels, including Oxbridge.''

I think we've got a POV problem here. Very few if any american universities consider an IB diploma to be superior to equivalent to AP courses. The diploma as a whole (and the extended essay) are almost univerally ignored, and attention is paid to individual exam scores instead. Very few american universities offer credit for SL courses, and many do not offer credit for certain HL courses (Computer Science comes to mind). In this respect, I find it difficult to argue that american universities tend to consider as superior to AP.


 * I take issue with the idea that "very few if any american universities consider an IB diploma to be superior to equivalent to AP courses." I don't know if you've done any polling on the issue :-). In my experiences I've seen the gamut: what makes this more complicated is that some consider the diploma, while others the tests, and still others a combination. I know a number of schools that offer credit based on IB test scores only if the diploma was achieved, for example. I can't imagine how you could say, therefore, that the diploma is "almost universally ignored." We might be able to craft some wording the reflects that the IB Diploma Programme is similar in that colleges award credit for it but they sometimes evaluate it differently than AP, in some cases more favorably, and in other cases less. Good luck to someone on that wording! -- joeOnSunset 07:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Another point, although it will be much more difficult to express without adding additional POV is that many students find that it is much more difficult to score high enough to earn credit on an IB exam than it is to on the equivalent AP exams based upon those who take both.

I mention american universities specifically, because AP is predominately an american program.

--Orang55 03:12, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Even though it is a US programme, I think the article should not reflect a US point of view. The example of the IB being 'superior' to AP is from the UK (UCAS), where the 'superiority' is true. It's true that it could be phrased in a slightly better way though. - ulayiti (talk)  05:14, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


 * How about saying that it is favorable to the AP Program instead of superior? I don't think superior is a good word to use there. Chocolateluvr88 00:20, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I know that my university considers it to be quite superior to AP, as do most Florida universities who try their hardest to woo IB students over others. I know I got a lot more credits out of the way from IB than from the AP tests I took. That's why I think "depending on the institution in question" is just fine. Mike H. That's hot 07:36, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

I talked to some college counselors and the thing that they said is they take the IB Full Diploma Candidates and put them in a separate pile and analyze them first. That's what I was told from college counselors. 24.4.221.251 04:37, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

User category
I've created a user category for the Wikipedian IB population for prospective, current, former students, or anyone else involved with the IB: Category:International Baccalaureate Wikipedians

You can add yourself by adding to your user page.

O bli (Talk) ? 05:59, 22 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Could you change this to Category:International Baccalaureate Wikipedians, so that it's properly capitalised? - ulayiti (talk)  16:08, 22 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Done. Man, I wish I could program bots to do these tasks... O bli (Talk) ? 23:05, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Weasel words
Pretty much all the arguments in the criticism section are made using weasel words. This section really needs to be cleaned up or it will be removed. jaco ♫ plane 01:55, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I've removed the section, as it was also horribly POV and USA-centred, and pretty much all the 'criticisms' could be said of any educational programme. And some of them were not even true, for instance the IB doesn't really give you any more work than any other system that I know of. - ulayiti (talk)  11:42, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm confused...
I've read about this programme but I still don't understand what it "is". Is it just a group of courses taken at my school in place of others? or is it another school that I would go to. I just don't have an understanding of what it is. I know I'm vague and this is definitely not a discussion topic diserving two "="'s signs on each side of the title so I have no problem with this being removed following someone telling me what this "thing" "is". 24.154.173.50 01:02, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Mostly, it's a bunch of papers and exams you have to write, and then you get a diploma. —Keenan Pepper 01:42, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


 * So it is taken along with normal schooling? 24.154.173.50 02:33, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


 * At my high school (Rickards), there were IB classes, but non-IB students could take them too. Some were mixed AP/IB classes. —Keenan Pepper 04:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok thanks 24.154.173.50 20:58, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I take the IB as a full diploma, i would say its quite hard to take it at the same time as doing other schooling, as it is a lot of work. You need to complete essays and coursework in many subjects and perform presentations and stuff.

This is not the place to discuss your IB queries, but to discuss the article. Please use other sites for this purpose. Spaztic ming 15:49, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Since this is, after all, a place to discuss the article, perhaps we can discuss how the article was so unclear that OP did not understand what the programme actually 'is.' The answers Keenan Pepper provided should perhaps be available in the article?

Overly Praising
"Students who pass through the IB Diploma Program with the reception of the diploma truly deserve to be recognized as exemplory and wonderful students for what they do. In several cases, only about 20% of the students who enter the Diploma Program actually end up with the diploma. Those who actually earn it have truly accomplished a great thing." This is a bit too subjective, feels much like an IB-student patting himself on his own back. But even I, an IB graduate, find this passage totally ridiculous.BrorMartin 13:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Haha, yeah, this passage is way too ridiculous. Yes, IB is difficult, I admit, but this is an encyclopedia for information, not a place to praise people.

AP and IB
Most colleges will only give college credit to students for taking higher level courses, and require a score of 6 or 7 most of the time. While on the other hand, the same colleges give credit to students who get a 4 or higher on a AP exam.''

Confirmation please? Aren't IB exams are out of 7, and AP exams are only out of 5? Then the requirements would be balanced. These policies vary greatly for both the IB and AP. I may have snafued here by editing what was on the page without discussing it here first. The acceptance policy at highly competitive schools, such as MIT or Cornell, will only allow for 6 & 7 on HL exams. However, other schools, such as University of Florida will accept SL exams of scores ranging from 4-7, and most colleges will accept HL scores of 5-6, with many accepting 4's. I've been involved in collecting these policies and meeting with colleges over the last 20 years to get students credit. Certainly I have a bias toward the IB, but have found more colleges taking a fresh look at their policies to attract students. In essense, no declarative statement works here. Asse2 16:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

''Most colleges will only give college credit to students for taking higher level courses, and require a score of 6 or 7 most of the time. While on the other hand, the same colleges give credit to students who get a 4 or higher on a AP exam.''

Confirmation please? Aren't IB exams are out of 7, and AP exams are only out of 5? Then the requirements would be balanced.

Although IB exams are out of 7 and AP exams are out of 5, it is much harder to receive a 6 or 7 on an IB exam than a 5 on the AP due to the way the curves are given. On some AP exams, nearly 40% of the people who take them receive 5s.

Lilyv129 19:16, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

To add to what Lilyv129 said, the IB scores given are a result of the combination of assessments and tests (the example that springs to mind is Language A1 in which two papers, two oral components, and two tests at the end of the year all make up the actual score), whereas AP scores are based on a single test--I'm not sure you could say that they are necessarily apples and apples, although I think the scores received on both tests probably correlates somewhat. Not to mention that the phrase 'While on the other hand' is redundant :)

Advanced Placement Program vs. the International Baccalaureate
I just found a very interesting comparison of the AP and the IB programs. I think we should include these points and maybe organize them into a table (which I sadly cannot do). Please give your opinions. Thanks, (Eddie 03:52, 25 February 2007 (UTC))

Advanced Placement Program vs. International Baccalaureate


 * Students can build up an AP profile over the course of several years. vs. Student are restricted to completing the IB diploma program during the final two years of school.
 * Students sit examinations as they complete the respective course. vs. Student write all examinations at the completion of the second year of the program.


 * Students can sample a wide variety of advanced courses. vs. Students must enroll in six two year courses, excluding other possible interests.


 * Each course combines breadth and depth in treating the subject. vs. Each course emphasizes depth of treatment, not breadth.


 * The flexibility of the AP program allows for additional boarding-school demands on student time. vs. The inflexibility of the IB program does not allow, or comes into conflict with, some boarding-school requirements.


 * Entrance to German universities requires 4 examinations in year-long AP subjects, one of which must be mathematics or science. vs. German universities require the entire IB diploma program plus four years of a second foreign language.


 * Austrian universities require 4 AP examinations in year-long subjects, one of which must be calculus. vs. Austrian universities require the entire IB diploma program.


 * British universities require three AP examinations. vs. British universities require the entire IB diploma program.

* Students can build up an AP profile over the course of several years. vs. Student are restricted to completing the IB diploma program during the final two years of school.

In the first two years of high school, students take "pre-IB" classes, which are often taught with AP classes.

* Students sit examinations as they complete the respective course. vs. Student write all examinations at the completion of the second year of the program.

This is not true. Most of the time, students take two standard level examinations that they tookt he course for at the end of their junior year. At the end of their senior year, they finish two higher level exams and two additional standard level exams.

* Students can sample a wide variety of advanced courses. vs. Students must enroll in six two year courses, excluding other possible interests.

Students must take at least one course in each of the six areas, but are allowed to take other courses that they are interested in for "certificates" that supplement their actual diploma.

* Each course combines breadth and depth in treating the subject. vs. Each course emphasizes depth of treatment, not breadth.

Breath is emphasized by IB, also. At my school, students who take the IB exams also take the AP exams.

Lilyv129 19:24, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Incidentally, on the first point, my school district does not allow students to take AP classes before junior year, so I'm not sure how universally true that is?


 * This table should not be used, as it's clearly pro-AP propaganda for that Salzburg school that is linked. It looks like it was created to showcase the AP programme as something new and hip and very American.  The last line on that webpage instructs users to direct their questions about the AP programme to some administrative person, which is just another indication that the page is trying to sell AP. Tomwithanh 22:34, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Reopening the "IB is UN-American" debate
I've removed the link again for the following reasons (yes, I've already read the previous discussion): If you insist on SOME kind of critical link, use this one instead. While it is still enormously POV and still lacks reliability, at least its arguments are grounded in logically sound assertions. Axem Titanium 00:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It is not a reliable source, that is, it is a self-published paper (it was posted on an advocacy website, for crying out loud) without the proper fact-checking that a reliable source would have. The author, Allen Quist, is not a "well-known, professional researcher (scholarly or non-scholarly) in a relevant field" so he is not qualified to criticize education on any level.
 * It gives undue weight to a fringe minority. As said by Jimbo Wales, "If your viewpoint is held by an extremely small minority, then whether it's true or not, whether you can prove it or not, it doesn't belong in Wikipedia, except perhaps in some ancilliaryarticle. Wikipedia is not the place for original research."
 * Have you even read the article? The arguments it makes are complete bullshit. A logical, thinking person would not make such wild leaps. It makes my brain hurt just to think about someone so vacuously stupid. Perhaps when someone makes some legitimate and intelligent criticism of the IB Program"me", it can be included.


 * And I reverted the removal. The link stays up until this matter is closed.  Then, based on the outcome, appropriate action should be taken. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling 01:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * (Oops, added wrong comment to history.) --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling 01:23, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm still maintaining my opinion that criticism of the IBDP is something needed and quite hard to find (not counting the bi-weekly OR about "The IB bubble effect"). What we need, though, is simply a better description of the link, just something that says the article is the opinion of an American education lobby group against globalisation or something (that's what I got from the article, anyway). - O bli (Talk) ? 11:28, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, that link Alex suggested seems alright to me, with a similar note warning readers of the POV, of course. - O bli (Talk) ? 11:35, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It's been three weeks, let's see what we have: 2 in favor, none opposed, 1 who hasn't given any position. Looks like consensus to me. Axem Titanium 01:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Obli, is what Axem Titanium did okay by you? I think the article is overly glowing without the thing just removed given its quality and source.  What do you think. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling 03:19, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * On rereading this, and with Obli saying, "What we need, though, is simply a better description of the link," I would say the consensus is to keep the link, me and Obli, versus one nay, Axem Titanium. So I'm adding back the link until the consensus changes. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling 11:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia consensus on reliable sources is very clear, and this link is not a reliable source. It should be removed. JACO  PLANE  &bull; 2007-05-16 12:08
 * You seem to be misinterpreting his words. He said "that link Alex suggested seems alright to me", referring to the other link I suggested. Axem Titanium 23:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Here are some links that include criticism of the IB that could be included in the article:. JACO PLANE  &bull; 2007-05-16 23:17
 * The first one you suggested has the same problems because it's from the same group (which btw, seems flagrantly xenophobic and anti-environment; OMG, the Earth Charter! God forbid IB to support saving the Earth!). The second one looks good. Axem Titanium 03:52, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I say keep all the links critical of the IB. We are not using them to support statements about the IB ('The IB is anti-U.S (ref)') but to illustrate the fact that the IB does have critics. In my opinion the criticisms are nuts, and it shouldn't take most readers long to come to the same conclusion; but shouldn't we allow readers to make up their own minds rather than 'protect' them from these viewpoints by censoring them?


 * As for the point about these criticisms being related to a single country (the U.S.): More IB students are in the U.S. than in any other country so I'd say the criticisms were important. What if someone said the baseball was un-American? Would that be irrelevant because people in other countries also play baseball?


 * Ewen 05:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I just completed the IBDP. Most of the ToK comments made by that guy are absolute non-sense. We never had to read the entirety of any of those books for ToK. We had to read a couple chapters out of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Repair, but that was it. Thegreyanomaly 04:23, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Category:IB students
Any ex or current IB students that wish to declare that they underwent (or are undergoing) two years of hell the IB Diploma Programme, please place the following code onto your user page: Cheers. Good luck to you all who are going to do the exams soon! It'll be the time of your life. Zuracech lordum 01:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I have a better one (in my opinion) on my userpage. anyone is free to use it.  Connör  ( talk ) 18:41, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Your title could be better as IB DIploma Students. IB students covers PYP, MYP and Diploma. Candy (talk) 12:26, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Critical comparison with a-levels
I dispute every conclusion of the paragraph, and removed it only for User:Zombiboy to replace it.


 * 1) I don't know anyone who thinks the IB is easier than A-levels. 'Many believe' that it's easier do they? Let's see some justification, please.


 * 1) I think the level of study is greater, including in the sciences. I teach both A-level and IBDP and the majority of material is common to both courses, with IBDP HL being fully comparable to A-level.


 * 1) I know of no university which has considered the IB inferior, except a few who asked for more details about the course because they didn't know much about it - something that rarely happens today. Check the UCAS website for how universities offer places to both A-level and IBDP students. The UCAS points system clearly indicates how the IBDP compares (very favourably) to A-levels.

Ewen 05:52, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * User:Zombiboy and I have had a little chat about this paragraph on User talk:Ewen. I'll try to modify the paragraph put it on common ground. Ewen 19:43, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Critisism removed
I remove the critisism - not that there cannot be valid a valid critique of the IB Diploma Programme - because it appeared like an unsubstantiated (tagged since Feb 2007) PoV diatribe. The material was also not of encyclopedic quality. Candy 15:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I came to the wiki page specifically seeking information on the criticism. Our local (US) high school is considering an IBO program and more than a few people are vocal in opposition. In digging around, I think the concern is the emphasis on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. That wiki page does have information on the criticism. User:clevell —Preceding comment was added at 23:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Dire
Having fully read the article, it is dire. There are a great deal of unsupported "facts" and a plethora of unqualified comparisons. I will come back soon for a major pruning. Candy 15:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Max # of High Levels
Can anyone confirm that students are not allowed to take more than four high level courses? --Kycook 17:17, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am an IB student and students cannot take more than 4 HL courses within the 6 "diploma" subjects. Students taking a 7th "extra certificate" subject can take it at HL in addition to 4 other HL courses, but as the 7th subject does not count as part of their diploma, it doesn't really affect the number of HLs they can take. Beggarsbanquet 04:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Anti-IB Article Link Removed
Someone re-added the link to the anti-IB article, which I removed again because it is blatantly unreliable. We should support all viewpoints on Wikipedia, but these people make up a very small minority and they aren't a reliable source. Beggarsbanquet 21:42, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm so sorry. You should not remove such things without discussing it first, so I am re-adding it now.  This is especially true where it has been discussed again and again and was left in for a reason.  Now perhaps it should ultimately be removed.  But you can't just cut it out under these circumstances.  So I'm adding it back in.  I suppose it's everyone's right to reraise any matter again and again.  But cutting it out unilaterally is not your right.  Discussion is needed first. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling 21:58, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think this issue needs to be opened for discussion again. The un-American article may be supported by some facts, but Mr. Quist manipulates the facts to try to force his opinion on the reader.
 * For example, he describes the IBO's belief in world citizenship and then adds "Either United States citizenship or world citizenship must have priority in our education program. Which will it be? IB gives priority to world citizenship." Mr. Quist is making it clear that he believes US citizenship should be more important, but provides no details as to why it deserves priority.
 * The article is not a scholarly review of the IB program. Mr. Quist obviously did not research the program with an open mind and instead got caught up in his American patriotism. The article reads more like a blog entry than a scholarly analysis of IB and the American education system. This article definitely should be removed. Kycook 03:58, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I am sorry, I didn't know we needed to discuss it. Now it appears that most people believe it should be removed. Anyways, there are way too many links on Wikipedia that are not "scholarly" but have some merit to them, but this is basically just someone's unsupported opinion.  I suppose someone could give a good argument against the IB program, but this person isn't; he has no facts to back up his assertions, and it is full of logical fallacies.  I would hate for someone to think this is an honest critique of the IB program.  Since it doesn't seem that anyone is contradicting my opinion to remove it, I am removing it. Beggarsbanquet 04:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You can't take unilateral action as you have. I am reverting you.  You have not given time for the others to respond here, as in the others who have again and again in the past voted to keep the link.  Please be patient.  Or ask them directly to get involved.  Be fair and invite back everyone, not just those who agree with you.  --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling 05:06, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

It seems like only one person keeps putting that link back. That's no discussion, it's diatribe. Where are the results of the previous votes?


 * I see this is your first edit ever on wikipedia. Congrats!  Talk some time to learn the ropes.  You will have lots more fun here that way.  And to answer your question, just look back at the previous talk on the issue.  There's a lot on it by a number of editors.  By the way, it's a good idea to remember everyone here is an editor just like you, and no one likes to be treated badly, like, for example, talking about a diatribe.  You will get more people persuaded by your arguments if they are respectful and based on policy.  Whatever, do have lots of fun on Wikipedia. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling 01:51, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I just noticed an IP address/newbie removed both links with no history comment, no talk comment, leaving only positive stories, hence appearing to me to be POV edits. Further, significant past and even present talk on the issue of one of the links was essentially nullified by these removals.  Hence, I restored them.  Here is the history for the link removals:


 * 1) (cur) (last)  16:15, 18 July 2007 71.110.244.203 (Talk) (18,982 bytes) (→Articles) (undo)
 * 2) (cur) (last) 16:15, 18 July 2007 71.110.244.203 (Talk) (19,137 bytes) (→Articles) (undo)
 * Thanks. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling 05:01, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Why International Baccalaureate (IB) is UN-American link is broken
It is not working. Should we take it off? Thegreyanomaly 20:48, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

We should have taken it off a long time ago, since it doesn't represent a reasonable opposition (the people who believe this are few and far between, and their arguments have no logical basis). Even if there were a reasonable case for the IB being un-American, that article does not present good arguments for it. It's a good thing the link is broken so we can say good riddance to this "opposition." 24.192.248.238 01:13, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Why? Can't you stand to know the truth about IB schools? It's just another UN power grab to indoctrinate our kids into trashing our American sovereignty. Shame on you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.128.64.13 (talk) 06:50, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * As someone who has actually gone through the IB, I sincerely hope you were being sarcastic. Beggarsbanquet (talk) 09:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:IBLogo.jpg
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Tidied up - what about regional papers?
Tidied up and removed some very speculative parts.

Has anyone got a good way of expressing how the regional examination papers work in the Diploma Programme?

Candy 05:17, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Article Name
I think that this article should be renamed from “IB Diploma Programme” to “International Baccalaureate Diploma Programme” because this would be more precise. It would specifically state which organisation offers this diploma rather than relying on the user’s knowledge of the acronym.ML Saturn (talk) 13:03, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Certificates
"However, if taking World History (social studies certificate), the student is required to complete the Theory of Knowledge. "

Citation please. The regulations may vary from school to school, but as far as I know, taking TOK is not required for a World History certificate. Alternately, the wording may need to be revised to clarify exactly which certificate this is referring to. In my region (Alberta, Canada), World History refers to a specific part of the History HL curriculum, the part which pertains to (I believe) Paper 2 of the IB exam for European History HL. I'm not familiar with a certificate in just World History. Is this History HL, History SL, History of the Islamic World...? Please clarify. Clocktowerkiss (talk) 20:24, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

IB vs. AP debate.
I think a section of this article - or a separate article altogether - should be devoted to the debate between the IB program and the Advanced Placement program in the United States, and similar debates in other countries between IB and their native advanced education program, such as British A-Levels, the French Baccalaureate, etc. I know here in the US it is a pretty big controversy over which program better educates students and prepares them for college, and over the fairness of how college credit is awarded toward each program. I have heard that IB vs. A-Levels is a pretty big issue in Britain as well. Beggarsbanquet (talk) 08:45, 20 March 2008 (UTC)