Talk:ICE Advertisements/Archives/2012

Tiles
Thank you to whoever provided the re-write for iCE, although it clearly needs heavy expansion. Is it documented anywhere when the iCE tiles project began? I've noticed that several other on-line art sites have mimic'd this concept since its inception. --Radman1 16:13, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

This reads more like a Tempus article than an article about iCE.

Started releasing packs of what? "our" ansi artwork? Who are "we"? Not very NPOV.

This is just plain advertising as it stands. Dr Zen 04:35, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hi Dr Zen. Once upon of time I ran a group that was a rival of iCE, back in the early 1990s. Anyhow thank you for removing POV but you also struck out some information that is rather important, such as their traditional release of monthly artpacks. To answer your question they were packs of mostly ANSI art, later VGA. I believe there is a wiki in progress on what an artpack is. Radman1 04:44, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

-- Ok well here goes, the old article was obviously highly POV, and read basically like a testament to the accomplishments of Tempus Thales (not that i don't think he was incredible). I am still working on it, want to talk about iCEcolor and other projects like that. I moved the paragraph written solely to describe that batman ansi to the image page itself (and uploaded the image and displayed it on the iCE article obviously) and added a Lord Soth ansi.

Here are the remaining paragraphs i removed from the article. They can possibly be cleaned up to remove POV but, like someone alluded to earlier, its a TT vanity piece with these paragraphs included:


 * ''If not necessarily the most visually stunning ANSi artist of his time, Tempus Thales influence is far-reaching and undeniable.  To complete as many ANSi's as he did, Tempus Thales worked mostly with shading characters, spending less time nitpicking smaller compositions with the more obscure high-ascii shapes. It is undeniable that iCE was a large, powerful group, but Tempus Thales was the recognized, prolific leader of the ANSi movement, the Picasso, the Monet of his time.


 * ''Tempus Thales advantage was that he worked large and fast--figures would scroll down for several pages, leaping off the screen, telling a story. He often worked from comicbooks and videogame magazines and would borrow ideas from other artists. He devised a large "TT" signature which was displayed at the top of most of his ANSi's--the letters were blue and surrounded by a "silver" outline which was achieved using only the very simple CGA colors, dark-gray, light-gray and white (8, 7, and 15 in TheDraw respectively). The effect looked like polished chrome, no doubt a popular sci-fi "cyberpunk" look during the 1980's. This polished, cold, chrome look floating in the dark, defined "iCE" once and for all, this was the strength and signature-style of iCE.


 * ''Many artists duplicated the TT signature look at the top of their pages (ex: Z-Trasher became "ZT") and room for this was made possible with TheDraw, the most popular ANSi drawing program at the time. Tempus Thales really pushed artists to work bigger and to do longer multi-page ANSis. The abbreviated naming convention extended to the DOS filenames, where artists would prefix their files (example: ZT-ASYLM.ANS would be an ANSi by -Z-Trasher for Asylum.) Due to the artistic leadership of Tempus Thales, iCE was very desirable both by BBS needing art, and by artists wanting to be affiliated with iCE, resulting in a very stable group, absorbing other ANSi groups such as GRiM (led by Force-Ten).

If tempus thales is going to be mentioned, it's only fair that some other iCE "leaders" are listed as well. I've emailed Jon Shiring (Lord Soth/Slothy), who definitely would be on that list, for their names.

--sodium

While it needs a lot of work, I moved some of the TT info to his own article at Tempus Thales. His contributions are too important not to be mentioned.

Antini 23:54, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Seire
Shouldn't there be a mention of the Seire merger on 2001? 210.4.22.199 16:04, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I doubt it. Didn't Seire have only 2 or 3 packs before they merged into iCE? ACiD's page doesn't bother to discuss mergers though there were some 15 or so during its lifetime, some of them far more notable than Seire (i.e. Gothic, Saga, etc). --sodium
 * There were around 15 packs before the merger, as far as I can recall.
 * Well, there were other mergers in the past, if someone has a record of them all then that would be an acceptable section (mergers) Sodium N4 07:08, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Tempus Thales
Tempus Thales redirects here. Fine, if this group wants to appropriate the name for their own purposes then great. But there ought to be a link back to Thieves' World, or the List of Thieves World Characters. People still read the books and play the RPG. There is even a revival coming, supposedly.--Wolfram.Tungsten (talk) 17:41, 9 October 2010 (UTC)