Talk:ICarly (season 7)

=Episode summaries= These episode summaries are way too descriptive. Is it really pertinent to note that "iFind Spencer Friends" ends with a giant spaghetti taco and Jamaican laser tag, and that Gibby marries Baggles in an iCarly skit? These things need to be a lot briefer and focus only on key points, not trivial things like this. If everyone is in agreement, I'm more than happy to rewrite these. (And I mean across the board; not just for season 7.) Crimsonseiko (talk) 17:50, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Color
The color Confession0791 used here, the white text doesn't work with the lighter gray. This color I feel is more appropriate as the other colors used on the episodes page are more deep in color and it works well with the white text. - Alec (talk) 16:03, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * That's fine. – Confession0791 talk 16:25, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Production code for first episode
The production code for iShock America from the Futon proving to be unrealistic at this time. There is no production code like that for this show. The production code is 510-511. I do have a few references maybe that we can use but I don't really know if that will help. First one is http://www.nick.com/videos/clip/icarly-510-ishock-america-invitation-clip.htmm in the Url you can see that it is 510. the scence is from the first part of the show. I don't have a link for the second.

The second reference is https://twitter.com/#!/YaBoyBooGie/status/197771059519430656, which is the actor who plays T-Bo. the only problem is that the twitter is unconfirmed.Also some of the cast members do follow him and and he follows him. Maybe we can work around the rules since the episode has aired and now know its not fake.

So untill then I took out the production code until a better on can be provided. I have a source but it sometimes take 4 months to update.

Second, I guess production code gets solved the episode numbers will be fixed. Since there are 109 episodes iShock America is a 2 part episode. So it is counted as two episodes not one. it should be labled 1-2, until then I won't do anything about that.WP Editor 2012 (talk) 22:11, 9 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Sometimes a show will use a special production code for a special episode. Futon Critic is a reliable source, all the other iCarly production codes look correct, this one is likely also. We should go with it until we find something better. For an example see what Disney did for List of Shake It Up episodes – that production code is well out of the norm and there is a Disney source that supports it. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:22, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I added it back until we can get a better reference. We can justify it being there as it is from a reliable source we are using for lots of other info. They may have created two versions of this episode in post-production and used a weird code for the special version to make it distinct from the normal one(s). Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:21, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Agree with Geraldo. The Futon Critic is a reliable source for production codes. I think Nick gives special production codes for hour long episodes. I remember "iGo to Japan" was #999, "iDate a Bad Boy" was #998, "iFight Shelby Marx" was #997 and so on. This one just happens to be #991. As for the episode number, it aired as a single episode with a single set of credits. It should only be listed with one episode number, not two. - Alec (talk) 03:38, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That's not true, Alec. It's already been well established in the previous 100 episodes listings that 1 hour shows (specials) = 2 episodes length and 1.5 hour shows (movies) get 3 episodes. So, there is no need to wait. iDate a Bad Boy was a 1 hour special and it shows 2 episodes length, and iGo to Japan is a 90-min movie, and it shows a length of 3 episodes. So, what is the problem with understanding iShock America is a 1 hour special and worth 2 episodes in length? It also shows that here as more proof, so the 101-102 needs to stay. --Katydidit (talk) 20:37, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Season 7 or Season 6b?
A user identified by the username ElBarco2011 changed Season 7 to Season 6b for no good reason. Nickelodeon made it clear as crystal that iShock America started the FINAL season of iCarly, thus making it Season 7, not Season 6b. I know that both seasons have the same production line, but this still can't be done because that would mean Season 3 would be Season 2b, and Season 4 would be Season 3, etc. This user even went so far as to blank out the Season 7 page and create a Season 6b page and make these changes on the List of iCarly Episodes page. This must not continue. Please leave comments below. - JaciFan — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaciFan (talk • contribs) 01:47, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Episode lengths, by time
See Icarly to show why iShock America is 2 episodes in length, as were other previous 2-part Specials and iParty with Victorious as a 3-episode length movie. Do NOT change the length of iShock America again, or I'll be forced to report you for vandalism. I'm tired of making this correction again and again. Just because you never heard of the idea on lengths before doesn't make your idea correct. Look at the entire episodes listing for proof of lengths on the many Specials and 1 movie. See also the episode listings here from Season 2 onward to show the various lengths: List_of_iCarly_episodes --Katydidit (talk) 01:14, 13 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Length has nothing to do with whether an episode is two or three parts and you are wrong to count that single episode twice. There was one set of credits so it is one episode. That is so obvious it should not even have to be argued. If the other episodes are listed as two or three parters then they had two or three distinct parts. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:27, 13 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Again, you don't know what you are talking about. Those episodes were not broken up into different parts shown on different dates. They ran all at once on one night, just as iShock America did; just as iGo to Japan (movie, 3 eps.) or iDate a Bad Boy (Special, 2 eps), etc. --Katydidit (talk) 22:21, 13 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Then they shouldn't have been listed as multi-part episodes then. iTunes and Amazon show them all as single episodes. It is a mistake for Wiki show them as multi-part when they weren't. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:57, 13 October 2012 (UTC)


 * You are definitely confusing multi-part as something of a two-part show that is separated by a week or other time frame. The proof will also be when the total episodes at the end of the finale doesn't match the total listed by the series itself. Right now it is 109. If you don't increase iSA by one more, the total will end up as 108. And fewer, if there is another multi-part episode (longer than 30 min.) before the series shows its finale (sometime in November) that you also dispute as only one instead of two if another one-hour special is shown. --Katydidit (talk) 01:16, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * If they didn't, then someone is screwing with reality. This one had only one part and the referenced special production code confirms that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:27, 13 October 2012 (UTC)


 * That weird production code is not in-tune with the others in those starting with '5', and I have no reason to explain why it had a #991 code. But, it is temporary, just as the other multi-part shows were listed *temporarily* with a #99x code, but don't any more. It doesn't negate the episode-length, and the proof is in all the other multi-part shows that were listed as specials or movies with the same 2- or 3-lengths, respectively. Plus, editor 'WP Editor 2012' mentioned he had proof of a PC that wasn't the #991; #510-511. --Katydidit (talk) 22:21, 13 October 2012 (UTC)


 * WP Editor 2012 hasn't shown his proof and the best reference we have now shows the production code as 991. The main article calls the specials two-part specials and is obviously wrong and also unnecessary as well in doing so. If the other specials were not broken apart with separate credits then they were never two-part episodes. iTunes and Amazon agree with this. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:57, 13 October 2012 (UTC)


 * The other episodes you listed show two or three production codes making multiparters plausible. This one didn't. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:27, 13 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Again, that isn't proof of a one-parter, because of the strange PC. None of the other 100 episodes have a #99x PC, contrary to what you said earlier List_of_iCarly_episodes. The listing of all multi-part shows has iShock America listed with the others (as a Two-part Special), so that is proof positive it needs to be listed as 2 episodes in length. You have nothing to backup your claim otherwise except for that weird temporary PC that doesn't start with a '5' as the others in that season are listed. --Katydidit (talk) 22:21, 13 October 2012 (UTC)


 * An incorrect conclusionary section heading in the main article is an editor choice, not proof of anything. That section should be labeled "Specials" and and left as that. The show will be finished soon. We should probably revisit all of this and match the episode numbering with some reliable source such as iTunes or Amazon and not some arbitrary unreferenced "rule" that episodes are counted as multiples of 30 minutes. What an episode is is not complex, it has opening credits, contents, and closing credits. How long the contents are is irrelevant to that. I don't understand the desire to make things more complex than that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:57, 13 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Every show has an opening credit, contents and closing credits. The previous 100 episodes also have that, including all those labeled as specials (as iShock America is) and movies, which are identified as such in the box I mentioned before, and in the entire listings, which you refuse to acknowledge as proof, regardless of the temporary #99x production code shown presently. I don't know why the producers used that strange code and none of the others that had it temporarily don't have it now. And that #99x won't be the final (correct) one by the end of the show's run next month. You will see how mistaken you are at the finale of the series when the total episodes don't match the number you say they are when not counting each 30 min. as an additional episode number. --Katydidit (talk) 01:16, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I guess we will see when the show is over then. What is in other wiki articles is never proof of anything (unless supported by sources) as Wiki by itself is not a reliable source. What we need is reliable sources. I don't see any backing from any reliable source for any of the long episodes to be double or triple counted. What reliable sources I have found show them as single episodes no matter how long they are. Check out the DVD sets, iTunes and Amazon, the total number of episodes in those sources should match the total that we show in wiki. I don't want to get into this issue with the other season episodes because it is contentious and also the episode numbers are also anchors for inbound links so care must be taken to fix all incoming links if they are changed. Hard to do with internal anchors. I would like to revisit this after the show is over, not worth it now with the level of intense editor desire to keep the current set of show articles staying the way they are.


 * I suggest for now that we keep ep 1 as a single ep based on the weird production code. If and when we find a reliable source that shows two production codes then double count it like the other multi-production code episodes for iCarly for now. Then, after the show is finished, revisit the whole issue for the whole show. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:51, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Geraldo Perez I have shown you proof here and. Look at the url. Also most tv shows here count hour episodes as two part episodes.

Here are some shows that have them counted as two episode and they all aired as one hour,


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 * all aired as one episode and had one set of credits

I am going to stop not unless you want me too keep going, many shows on wikipedia count hour episodes as two episodes. It just how the episode numbers match up with the series number. For example, iCarly there are 109 episodes total but if we did not count them as two episodes there would be about 96 episodes. Now that fact would be false after Nickeldoen Dan, the cast, and everyone else said that there was 109 episodes. other RS have said them saything about 109 episodes have aired. In this article back in 2010, Dan States a few Things. 
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 * Thank you, WP Editor for showing how ignorant Geraldo Perez is in repeatedly spewing his lack of knowledge, despite warnings by me he was going to be shown how wrong he was in the totaling of the episodes if he doesn't stop posting incorrect episode numbering. --Katydidit (talk) 21:54, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

I shot the pilot of iCarly in January of 2007. And about three weeks ago we completed the seventieth episode (in August '09). Yep. Seventy episodes in just two years (if you subtract the WGA strike). That's a crazy pace by anyone's standards in television. I don't know if you can find any scripted TV show that's made that many episodes that fast.

Currently, there are somewhere around 21 episodes of iCarly you haven't seen yet. So iBeat the Heat is episode 70 or iBoop in production code oreder. You see why they count the episodes as two episodes as well. Same goes for Boys Meets World. Take a lklok here lok at Number of Episodes. iTunes and Amazon has them as single episodes so fan's can acess them easier. Also iTunes and Amazon are not WP:RS.

The site I do have for the production code for iShock America has not updated yet. Since it is a goverenment site, they take awhile.

If wikipedia really wants to go by counting them as one episode then all episode pages should be that way. Not just a few and note that there are more episodes prooduced or something. I think this issue should be brought up to the admins or Jimmy the creator of the wiki becuase saying one thing on one page and saying something else on another pages is just wrong. It should be corrected.

Katydidit I agree 100% with you. I think the viewers who watch iCarly or other shows should be dealing with the page(s) not editors who have not seen the show or follow whats going on. I am not saying that can't help and make rules as there needed but not take control over or change anything that is already set in stone.For what ever reason I do feel that Geraldo Perez or Alec don't realy read all of the info that we put up or is out there from the cast or other information.

I have been quite busy but after seeing this I had to comment. I will try to respond with other imput in the couple of days. The best bet is to email me. WP Editor 2012 (talk) 02:02, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * For a counter example see List of Family Guy episodes also a featured list. What other shows do is interesting as guidance but does not create a precedence that we must conform to. The desire of Wiki article writers to make what is produced match what is presented is the issue. What the viewer sees is what is important and that should be the focus, not how it got to that point. Dan produces to contract TV shows in 23.5 minute chunks, that is what he cares about and that is what he talks about. Nickelodeon and iTunes and Amazon and the DVD sets present these same shows as 23:36, 46:48 and 1:09:47 length episodes. We have a record of the final presentations. That record is accurate and is a reliable source of the number of presented episodes and their length. I see no reason to deviate from that in any of the TV show articles. The internals of how a show is produced is interesting but is not really relevant to what a viewer sees. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:08, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * This proves you still don't know what you are talking about. I told you how foolish you were going to look when you were proven wrong on WP's listings main website on all the specials and movies which prove they are all multi-part episodes, and you were. Are you going to apologize now for wasting so much of others' time and effort in your ignorant postings and revertings? I'm sure you won't because you are too full of yourself and still remain ignorant on how a show treats specials and movies as mu;ti-part episodes. --Katydidit (talk) 21:54, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * That makes no sense. What website are you talking about? Give me a link. If it is a reliable source then you have a point. If it is not then you have proven nothing. WP Editor 2012 is making the case that some features lists double count some long episodes. I gave a counter example to show some don't. In what way has that shown I don't know what I am talking about. I still don't get the insistence of calling an episode multi-part when it does not have multiple parts. Seems like a pretty fundamental break with reality there to me. What purpose does it serve? Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:33, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

As for the implication that only editors who are intensely familiar with the shows should be controlling the articles, I believe the converse. I think it is valuable to take another point of view look at the articles and possibly work to improve them in ways people really close to the content won't be able to see. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:08, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * That ridiculous idea proves yet again you don't care about the truth in posting, and only care about how full of yourself you really are. We still believe you still don't know what you are talking about in this specific listing of episodes on tv shows. Quit flaunting your ignorance on tv shows episodes, and take it somewhere else, please. --Katydidit (talk) 21:54, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Your statement does not seem to be in response to what I said. Personal attacks not appreciated, not necessary and is not persuasive in making your point. Unexpected and disappointing as well coming from an experienced editor. Telling editors to not edit specific articles goes against the spirit of Wikipedia. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:33, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * You guys are so ridiculous that you didn't even notice the change on the futon website. Yes, you read correctly. On the futon site, the production code for iShock America was 991. Right? However, I clicked the link next to the production code and it took me to the website which now says: ISHOCK AMERICA (#510/#511). The production code is 510-511. WP Editor 2012 was indeed correct. Geraldo Perez, next time check your source for any updates before you go on arguing that your point is correct, which in your case you weren't (for the past day or so). Katydidit, great job arguing your point. One hour specials count as two episodes on iCarly. But you too, next time check the source for any changes so you can prove your point. Now I understand that iGo To Japan had the special prod code 999, but it was later proven to be a TV Movie with the prod code 201-203. It doesn't matter if it only has "one set of credits" or "2 or 3 distinct parts". Anyway, check the source for yourself and quit your pointless edit warring. JaciFan (talk) 04:08, 15 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I hope you don't mind, personal attacks are not welcome. You can actually get banned for doing it. It seems like you (Katydidit) and (JaciFan) do not want to listen to what other experience editors are saying. Where does it say on Wikipedia (in the rules) that episodes with more than one production code should be listed with 2 or more episode numbers? An episode is "one" episode with one set of credits. Sure the episode was filmed over a 2 week period. If a TV show is a 30-minute TV show and there's a extra long "2-part" episode filmed, the network as the option to air it as a 2-part episode or an "extra long" one hour episode. Even if there is 2 production codes, it still aired as one full episode and the network wanted to air it as one episode. The episode count will still be 109 in "Production" terms but in airing terms it won't be. As for the other "multi-part" airings. A lot of those were aired in separate parts (not in one-hour). Meaning it aired first as an "hour" but was split into 2 when aired after that in some cases so they can be listed with more than one episode number. iShock America has so far only aired as one episode, it should only be listed as one episode. We have to go by what is aired on TV and if it aired as a full episode with one set of credits, it's one episode. - Alec (talk) 04:11, 15 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that, I'll keep that in mind. Anyway, iCarly episodes like iGo To Japan (a TV Movie with the production code 201-203) also aired as one single episode and it was never split into 3 parts, and it still is listed as 3 episodes because it is a 3-part episode. With that in mind, iShock America is a 2-part episode yet was and probably never will be split into 2 parts, just like iGo to Japan, so it really is episodes 1-2. JaciFan (talk) 04:22, 15 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Who says that could've been a mistake? Just because it's done one way doesn't mean it's been right all this time. In fact we should list iGo to Japan as one episode. When you say it's 3 episodes, it really isn't. Do we really want to go and confuse people and say "iGo to Japan was three episodes" and then have them go on TV and watch it and it's only 1 episode. It IS 3 produced episodes but aired as one and Nick intended to air it as one episode therefore it's one episode. Regardless of what the production code says it's 3 produced episodes meant to air as one full episode. Since iCarly is a 30-minute comedy, they order episodes individually. So they ordered 3 episodes to create a 3-part special. When finished filming it could either air as 3 separate episodes split or as one full special. It aired as One full special as Nick wanted it but is 3 produced episodes. It should be listed as 1 episode with 3 production codes. Same with iShock America, it was 2 produced episodes but Nick aired it as one-full special so it should be listed as one episode with 2 production codes. - Alec (talk) 04:32, 15 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I still don't get it. Look at the other seven specials that have aired besides iGo to Japan and iShock America: iDate a Bad Boy, iFight Shelby Marx, iQuit iCarly, iPsycho, iStart a Fan War, iParty With Victorious, and iStill Psycho. Take a good look at the episode numbers and production codes of these episodes. Do you think this was all a mistake, or is it just that you want to accept that they are all whole episodes (one episode) like you think iGo to Japan and iShock America are? Because honestly, I don't see any differences in these nine iCarly specials regarding their production codes and how those episodes are numbered. If you do, please show them to me, because I'm still lost here. JaciFan (talk) 04:42, 15 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes it was a mistake, they should have been listed as single episodes if that is how they were presented. The number of production slots that went into making an episode is irrelevant to what is shown in the final cut that was aired. It would be, however, a lot of work to go back to fix now it as there are a lot of side effects of the episode number also being a anchor target for external wikilinks to that episode. Changing existing episode numbers will result in a lot of effort to fix broken incoming wikilinks. Don't have that problem with new episodes and there is no reason to continue to do it incorrectly. Please explain why it is necessary to double or triple count episodes that were obviously a single integrated complete episode. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:55, 15 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh okay, I get it now. It really was all a mistake. I apologize for being such a stubborn and unteachable person. I've only been a Wikipedia editor since last summer, so I'm not as experienced as you guys. Sometimes I get too aggressive when trying to prove a point, but my behavior before was unacceptable. Please forgive me. Anyway, does this mean that there are fewer episodes in the other iCarly seasons than Wikipedia says there are. And also, since it would take a long time to change everything, can we just keep iShock America and any future iCarly specials the same number as the production codes for the sake of lesser-experienced editors? Thanks. JaciFan (talk) 05:05, 15 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Some people are strongly invested in mapping production codes to episode numbers and they did a lot of the initial editing. They shouldn't have done that but they did as they think the one-to-one mapping is important, for reasons I don't understand and so far have been unable to get a reason for. The number of episodes of the show is the count of the table entries for the show and matches, as far as I know, the listings at iTunes, Amazon and the DVD sets. The only time there should be two episodes listed in a single table entry is if there really were two separate episodes and it is desired to describe them together. Sometimes a two parter that was actually shown as two separate parts but a combined description is easier to do. In that case they should really be two separate table entries but that is an editor choice. Your point about continuing to follow the what has already been previously done for this show has merit and that is about where I am at now given the intense opposition to doing the right thing. Mostly this is pragmatic, fixing the other episodes is too hard to do right now and the show will be finished soon and we can revisit the issue then. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:27, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

iRescue Carly
I found out via the TV Listings website that is used to source the release dates of Season 7 iCarly episodes that a new iCarly episode titled iRescue Carly would be shown at 8:00 pm on October 27, 2012. The summary I provided was the one I saw on the website. There was no prod code or director or writer. All of this info I saw, but I don't know how to add a reference/source for this info. Please help. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaciFan (talk • contribs) 16:59, 16 October 2012 (UTC)‎

Its sourced fine, I just removed the summarry because it is a copy right violation. WP Editor 2012 (talk) 17:03, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay thanks. If I do use a summary, where should I get it from? JaciFan (talk) 17:05, 16 October 2012 (UTC)


 * From your own mind, otherwise copying anything from anywhere else is a copyright violation. Read the source material, get the key info and create a description using your own words. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:31, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

7th season does not exist
Yes, the 7th season of iCarly does not exist. If there were such news would be would turn news into everything that's website and blog that speak of these things. But the only season released by Dan, as by Nickelodeon was the 6th season. In this article from season 7 you only quotes a source that refers to the 6th season, because he says "after 5 Seasons", which means that the season that was being recorded when this text was written was the 6th season. Other evidence that the 7th season there is the openness that is the same as the 6th. If it is a new season should have a different opening, or at least the end of the opening.

There is evidence that the 6th season exists, but there is no evidence that the 7th season is there. The only one who speaks that the 7th start exists is the Wikipedia. Before you enter any information, enter reliable sources because everything you entered is considered original research, IE, your information does not meet verifiability.

See, until iTunes just shows iCarly until Volume 6 (https://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/icarly-vol.-6/id508036929). The episode iShock America (and the later episodes to it) which is considered by the Wikipedia in English as the initial episode of the 7th season is there in volume 6. If there was a seventh season should be "Volume 7" with the episodes from iShock America. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.212.245.124 (talk) 20:09, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

iShockAmerica was announced on YTV as the season premier. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.177.101 (talk) 00:28, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Alternate episode names?
iLost my head in Vegas was listed as iPawn Stars on my TV's summary. Do other eps. have alt. names? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.177.101 (talk) 00:36, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Colonel Shay
why isnt the actor listed for Colonel Shay in igoodbye ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.24.229 (talk) 07:44, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
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Is there 8th. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.238.249.116 (talk) 19:58, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

DISPLAYTITLE warning
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