Talk:IChat/Archive 1

Screenshot
I don't think this screenshot is fair use; for one thing, it would be a simple matter for a user with a G5 to create a legitimately fair use screenshot. Can someone please go ahead and create one? (I would, but I lack a G5, and iSight, and friends). --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 21:16, May 25, 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh? It's a screenshot of a webpage, if that wasn't fair use why would we have the tag?. --Ctachme 22:22, 25 May 2005 (UTC)


 * It isn't a screenshot of a webpage, it's a screenshot of an image that was used on a webpage. I think that a screenshot of an image is essentially the original image, which could cause problems. &mdash;dcclark (talk) 20:10, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Interoperability with AIM for Windows
I'm removing the following which was added by 66.25.40.200 and edited by Un sogno modesto:

As of January 29th, 2006 iChat 3.1 no longer supports video conferencing with AIM.

There is nothing on Apple's web site to support this, in fact states that video conferencing is possible with iChat AV 2.1 and later; there's no mention of iChat 3.1 not supporting video conferencing with Windows AIM users. Can anyone find anything to support the statement? -- Hawaiian717 22:58, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

In fact, I chat on and off with someone using AIM on Windows, while I use iChat. BDWill Talk Contribs 07:48, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Something that's not clear to me after reading the article and this discussion is: does an iChat user need an AIM account to chat with an AIM user? Itub 02:51, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. I need to sign on with my AIM username/password to chat with my friends on AIM. --M1ss1ontom a rs2k4 (T 06:30, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. :) Itub 11:57, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Open Source Alternatives?
I have no problem with open source alternatives etc. -- but the thing is... it really doesn't belong in this article, I don't think. E.g. "Pepsi" is not listed amongst alternatives in the Coke article, etc. - Abscissa 09:04, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No kidding - I just came here to say the same thing. I'll remove it now, it sounds like a weaselly attack on iChat. Nihiltres 03:22, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 18:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

HTML tags bug
There's a bug and it should be described. In the main article (so I did). In the Chax section there's a description of the chax feature that it can do, which is not the same as the bug description itself. So I feel both mentions are worthy. CCC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.76.62.17 (talk) 19:22, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

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This article reads like an advertisement for software addons. Can we rewrite it to be more about the original software and less about the attachments? Also, the history section starts at iChatAV, not iChat the original. --Kanerix 76.27.124.67 (talk) 21:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Old chat room software
Is the old chat room software of the same name, related? -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 04:51, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Sort of, apparently. What I want to know is, did Apple have to pay for the name, or what? --M1ss1ontomars2k4 | T | C | @ 17:59, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

It's related, in that Koz.com, a Raleigh-Durham .com company bought the product line and eventually spun Ichat, Inc. off into a separate company. Approximately a year later, the company was purchased by a Canadian company who then sold the name - but I don't believe any of the technology - to Apple. - ubrgeek 1332 EDT 122908 —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC).

User friendliness of the article
I find this article to be very tech oriented. Undoubtedly factually correct - but not really helpful in an encyclopedic way for those who don't know what iChat is and wish to get a simple description. Shouldn't this article start off with a simpler description of the application for laypersons who are not so tech-savvy? And then add all the tech. stuff in the appropriate places that follow? Davidpatrick (talk) 16:59, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree!! Seeing no response to your comment almost a year ago, I'm going to take a bold stab at editing it, despite not knowing anything about it, and hope my errors get fixed.Ccrrccrr (talk) 21:06, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

More information needed

 * which protocols does iChat use for audio/video conferencing
 * what other programs is it compatible to (audio, video, screen-sharing)
 * What is the maximum number of audio/video chat participants (I've tried 3 people, works wonderfully!)
 * users need to know how to integrate MSN, Yahoo and ICQ with it. This is not a how-to, I know, but it needs a link to somewhere.

THANKS -- Michael Janich (talk) 02:28, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Possible Improvements to Third party add-ons and user directory
Liked the programs that augment the utility of iChat. However, each likely has a very practical use, essential to certain people. These weren't listed. (The mention of 'Desktop' and 'blue screen' were intriguing.) As an example, iGlasses seems essential to anyone with a laptop. With a Desktop, one can adjust the lighting to be optimal for iChat. However, laptops are used from favorite seats at cafés, park benches, & various chairs about the house. iGlasses allows one who has no control over the lighting to best adjust the image, then save the settings as 'Study Desk, Winter Morning', for example. I'm sure readers would appreciate being made aware of such uses. Geologist (talk) 21:57, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Though this may be more general a topic than 'iChat', one familiar with many enhancements might either emphasize the abilities listed here, or even reorganize the section by the kind of user. Here is an example:

Some programs that enhance iChat can be used synergistically.

1. Corporate employees. Corporate meetings, one can make secure using Zfone and save using Call Recorder. ShowMacster allows one to replace the chat window with a file, such as photo or movie.

2. Families. Call Recorder & ShowMacster allows families, corresponding while apart, to show the day's photos or movie clips, and record chosen parts of the conversation as a Quicktime movie. Because at least one computer will be a laptop, iGlasses allows one to adjust brightness, hue, saturation, & such to match the ambient lighting, whose settings can be saved.

3. Friends. ShowMacster allows one to capture part of the screen and drag this to a chat window. This is useful in teaching another how to use a computer.

4. Other Users. iGlasses can control iSight cameras and USB webcams (using iUSBCam), from iMovie. This, and Call Recorder, permits one to use a cable to quietly take photos & movies of wildlife from a distance, or even down a burrow, using iGlasses' infrared vision. This latter feature can be useful in checking one's home for radiating heat leaks in the winter, or make one's networked laptop a security camera in dark rooms.

Geologist (talk) 23:08, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think a rework is needed, what does the "user directory" part of the title even mean anyway? I think any improvement here would help a section that is at this point, filled with old information, and mostly leaning towards advertisements. I'd love to take a hacksaw to that section, but I'm unsure what I would fill it with. Matt Yohe (talk) 19:26, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Untitled
I trust there is no way to start an article with a lowercase letter (see EBay). Nonetheless, "IChat" looks rather goofy. Ed Cormany 04:53 23 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Jabber Transport
I know wikipedia is not supposed to be a howto, but it would be great if someone could tell me how that jabber transport is supposed to work. Thanks.--24.82.175.172 05:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * In the future, you can post your questions at WP:RD, but here's a link you might find useful: . --M1ss1ontom a rs2k4 (T 05:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Just a thought, isn't Google Talk an implementation of XMPP, and therefore not really a Jabber "transport" per se? --Thelbert (talk) 19:49, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is. That's why I think the article should be reformulated - I doubt anyone would create a XMPP-to-XMPP transport just to support a particular Jabber server... ;) m_gol (talk) 07:40, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Does iChat use a proprietary protocol?
This source seems to say it does. pgr94 (talk) 10:10, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No. As noted in the history section, iChat uses SIP for A/V, AOL's OSCAR protocol (now semi-open), and XMPP. ADC has more details in the private member section, but can not be linked to as it is currently goes against NDA. --216.244.60.92 (talk) 13:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

The protocol descriptions in the introduction ("It uses a XMPP-like protocol, Bonjour, for user discovery, and it also allows for LAN communication.") seem to conflate XMPP and Bonjour, and I believe this is technically incorrect. Are XMPP and Bonjour not orthogonal components? -- 193.62.202.242 (talk) 11:58, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

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