Talk:IG Farben/Archives/2014

Information box
The box is just blatantly wrong as far as the fate is concerned. I.G. Farben is not "liquidated", as the text should make clear. It is "in liquidation". The liquidation process is still going on; it has been going on for more than fifty years now, for sure, but I.G. Farben as a legal entity still exists. Being in liquidation does not end the existence of a corporation, nor does filing for insolvency (which I.G. Farben did in 2003). SchnitteUK (talk) 18:37, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

First discussions
I've added a citation needed tag to the single line statement that Monsanto Corp. entered into a joint venture with IG Farben in 1967, as it doesn't appear to make actual sense and I can't find anything to support said statement in a quick Google search.

Don't get me wrong; I love to hate the Monsanto Corporation as much as the next tin-foil-hatted lunatic, but it doesn't seem plausible to me that they entered into a joint venture with a disgraced holding-company wending its tortuous way to dissolution in 1967 and nobody has chosen to write about it loudly and in depth on the Internet.

-Random Guy

"The three largest quickly bought the smaller ones, and today only BASF, Bayer and Hoechst remain." Agfa still exists ?


 * Correct. I'm editing it in...
 * Wasn't Agfa owned by Bayer until recently? They used to sell Agfa film at cost in the cafeteria... Gzuckier 21:55, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Agfa was taken over (back) by Gevaert family. (UkiAlex)

The change

IG Farben committed so many war crimes during World War II -> Due to war crimes

makes the sentence much more boring. Was it inaccurate --- was that why it was changed? 155.91.6.71 18:27, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

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This one:

In 1967, Monsanto entered into a joint venture with IG Farben.

doesn't really make sense -- as IG Farben was liquidated in 1952. Anybody care to elaborate? Otherwise I recommend deletion (UkiAlex)

Opening
What exactly does "formed in 1925 and even earlier during World War I." mean ? -- Beardo 04:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Mentions in fiction
I.G.Farben was mentioned in an episode of Agatha Christie's Poirot (it may also have been mentioned in the associated book which I haven't read). Unfortunately I can't remember the name of the story. Arcturus 20:09, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Dates?
"IG Farben ... was a German conglomerate of companies formed in 1925 and even earlier during World War I." I don't understand when the company was formed... 1925 or even earlier during WWI? thanks for any clarity. --Storkk 11:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * My understanding of this confusing point is that I.G. Farben was around during WWI as a cartel of chemical companies - meaning that a bunch of chemical companies got together, set up I.G. Farben as an forum for coordinating their acticities, but the member corporations continued to exist as separate legal entities. Hence the name Interessengemeinschaft, which is common in German for associations of people or corporations pursuing common interests. In 1925, the concentration process was finalised by merging the member corporations into one giant corporation, ending the separate legal existence of the members. This is not what you would normally call an Interessengemeinschaft in German, but the newly formed company continued to use the old name. SchnitteUK (talk) 18:41, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

IG Farben was mentioned in the novel Sigma Protocol by Robert Ludlum


 * According to John Keegan's "The First World War", I.G. Farben was actually a major player in World War 1. Not only did it give chlorine gas for use in weaponry, it also synthesized the nitrates used in explosives (organic nitrates were only readily available in Allied territory). What this means is that I.G. Farben must have been founded prior to WWI, because it already had a monopoly on the dye industry at the start. However, Encyclopedia Britannica states that it was, in fact, founded in 1925, but the companies that comprised it existed earlier. Bayer appears to be the biggest player in this, as he was one of the two joint founders of IG Farben, and actually a Bayer Managing Director. See "Poison Gas in World War 1" for a bit more discussion on that I think. Obi2Kenobi 05:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Err... "he" = Carl Duisberg Obi2Kenobi 00:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * As I understand it, the Germans were shipping nitrates from Chile or somewhere and the Allies blocked that. So Fritz Haber worked to "fix" nitrogen and synthetic nitrates were born.  Meanwhile, yes many of the companies, even while still seperate, were working together before they officially became IG Farben.  The deals between Sterling Drug and Bayer were continued after WWI as deals between Sterling and IG Farben.  There is a book that supposedly decribes the beginning of Farben, but it's out of print. H. W. Ambruster, Treason's Peace: German Dyes and American Dupes 1947 82.93.133.130 14:30, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

IG Farben is also mentioned in several PKD novels, one I recall quite cleary was 'The Zap Gun' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.31.53 (talk) 20:33, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Mentions
Aren't we going a bit overboard with the "IG Farben was mentioned in so-and-so" bit? If the company was an important part of the work that's one thing, but this "Look! I found another passing reference to IG Farben in a minor work of fiction! Let's add it to Wikipedia!" is getting out of hand. Shall we do the same thing with Coca-Cola? We'd have 6 billion "Coke was mentioned/seen in..." entries. -R. fiend 19:27, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I removed all the entries that said it's "mentioned in" whatever. If the company plays a significant role in the work someone can add them back in and expalin that. Certainly saying that IG Farben is mentioned on page 37 of Hocus Pocus sounds decidedly amateurish. -R. fiend 20:09, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

IGF today
I perceive that IFG remains the major indusstrial hog in Europe and fortunately it's ear is tuned to alternatives to fossil fuels. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.194.210.11 (talk) 09:21, 6 January 2007 (UTC).

Fair use rationale for Image:Farben logo.jpg
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Council of the Gods
I moved the paragraph about "Council of the Gods" to the fiction category. It is not a documentary film. It's a movie about how IG Farben executives worked with American industry (Standard Oil) before, during, and after World War II. Its world-view is fascinating, but I think most people would agree that its fiction. It's East German propaganda that was banned in West Germany. Thomas144 (talk) 14:45, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Firm
If you look at the shares (http://www.schoene-aktien.de/d292.html), you will find, that I. G. Farbenindustrie AG is the correct name. 84.63.40.27 (talk) 13:41, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

An "investigation"? by whom
I'm tempted to remove the entire paragraph about an "investigation" - an investigation by whom? I'm guessing a U.S. Senate investigation, but it's not clear. I have no special knowledge of this subject. The references seem extremely sketchy. Whoever wrote this, please elaborate on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomas144 (talk • contribs) 16:55, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I second the removal of this, as well as the entire allegation tying Farben to Standard Oil. The sources given are bunk; the two legitimate source (the book and the National Archives URL) do not serve to corroborate the argument at all, and the other source is some random internet page published by God knows who. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.51.69.79 (talk) 05:33, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Is IG Farben really bankrupt???
However minor parts still called IG Farben maybe still operative as AG Farben. IG is a german business term and so is AG. In dutch they say 'besloten venootschap'(AG) Please moderate by a dutch moderator, IG Farben -> bankruptcy -> AG Farben, see dutch link on the left ('Nederlands')

Products
Synthetic dyes, Nitrile rubber, Polyurethane, Prontosil, Resochin, Zyklon B, among others.

IG Farben scientists made fundamental contributions to all areas of chemistry. Otto Bayer discovered the polyaddition for the synthesis of polyurethane in 1937. Several IG Farben scientists were awarded a Nobel Prize. Carl Bosch and Friedrich Bergius were awarded the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1931 "in recognition of their contributions to the invention and development of chemical high pressure methods". Gerhard Domagk was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1939 "for the discovery of the antibacterial effects of prontosil". Kurt Alder was awarded the Nobel Prize in Chemistry (together with Otto Diels) in 1950 "for his [their] discovery and development of the diene synthesis".

Bankruptcy
IG Farben continued as a authorized business, as well as a real property, and asked for official bankruptcy on November 10, 2003. However minor parts still called IG Farben are still operative. See dutch (Nederlands) from this subject. Bankruptcy date was verified however cannot verify if some parts are still operative. But i think so.

Wrote it like this below.

However minor parts still called IG Farben maybe still operative as AG Farben. IG is a german business term and so is AG. In dutch they say 'besloten venootschap'(AG) Please moderate by a dutch moderator, IG Farben -> bankruptcy Nov. 2003-> AG Farben, see dutch link on the left ('Nederlands')

Company or cartel?
Regarding the "merger" of its six constituent companies, was I.G. Farben itself then just a company/corporation or was it, as it is often described, a cartel made up of Bayer, BASF, Hoescht, et al? Put another way, did, for example, Bayer still have a separate identity within I.G. Farben? Another, almost trivial, point as a non-german speaker: was it pronounced as if it were "Iggy Farben"?--172.190.6.76 (talk) 03:34, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Konrad Adenauer
It's unclear to me what Konrad Adenauer's comment contributes to the article, seemingly a wooly footnote and not accurate considering Germany's stunning economic growth in the 1960-1980s. If no one objects, I'd like to delete it.

-- Unicorn Tapestry  {say}  09:11, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

No consequences for war crimes
"All defendants who were sentenced to prison received early release. Most were quickly restored to their directorships, and some were awarded the Federal Cross of Merit."

Who was responsible for this? The U.S.? The new German government? This is mind-boggling and disturbing that even the people found guilty suffered little long-term consequences and later benefited from their crimes. 69.125.134.86 (talk) 13:14, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Article is very Slanted
Article is very slanted by and to favor the holocaust industry. I thought it was a company that produced all sorts of chemicals and products before and during the war. During the war it also produced explsives. This article makes it out to be that it just produced chemicals just for the holocaust. The company was also doing what American and British companies were did during the war, which was following government directivesStarbwoy (talk) 12:56, 28 September 2013 (UTC)