Talk:INSAS rifle/Archive 1

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It seems like as previously suspected the India goverment tried to produce a modern assualt rifle locally and have failed misearbly at it. No wonder they "dumped" the rifles with 70% discount in the poor neighbouring country of Nepal, terming the sell as "military assistance".

Sir, do you have anything to corroborate what you are saying? If not, kindly nail a 10x10 piece of plywood on the orifice commonly referred to as a "pie-hole". --122.167.5.226 07:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC) Bodhi

- India should adopt the AK-101 ;) --Skyler Streng 19:02, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I dont think so if the Indian Govt. would have failed they wouldnt have used it themselves the army would have protested after all who wants to go to a 21st century war with a " miserably failed rifle" Wrick ( India )

I dont think this is a page for speculating whether a nation failed at producing a rifle. This is an encyclopedia, please treat it like one. --User:Yajkr

Indian Army used the INSAS rifles in the 1999 Kargil conflict with Pakistan and emerged victorious. It is the main rifle of the Indian Army today. So it's successful. -- 220.224.42.216 00:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Well Practically its not too bad not too good also. I personally checked this rifle at RFI. There are major areas for improvement like magazine housing, stock, butt, seafty lever etc though balance of rifle is extreamly good. I think it is better than 7.62 as 5.56 is much effective and deadly in CQB and they managed to minimize the recoil energy also but still needs lots of improvement before they can actually called it primary weapon for Indian Army. Its true that we won war against pakistan in kargil but that involves outstanding performance of our boys and not of INSAS. - Saptarshi Datta

I removed the word "pirated" from the section saying "This [pirated] copy is considered to be a distinct weapon (although certainly not an original design)". As this particular statement and the subsequent statements act as a paradox to the adjective "pirated". Since, sufficient uniqueness make it more than a modification or a pirated copy. --122.167.5.226 07:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC) Bodhi I compaired this article with M16. Ithink we should add some info about performance now as the Kargil took place almost nine years ago and Army claims the problems with INSAS are solved. But I met a soldier from BSF in train in '04 and he was not happy with the rifle performance. But two soldiers from Army with my group on a treak in Himalaya were satisfied about the rifle. Also now increasing no. of forces are being armed with INSAS even some Police forces also. I dont knoe exactly which but I have seen some in Pune. If anyone of you know about working and design please create separate sections for it. --Nikhil Sanjay Bapat (talk) 06:38, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Variants

 * Could someone add a few photos of the insas (the new photos with the FNC type foregrip, as opposed to the old photos with a 'normal' grip). Secondly, the variants link in the specifications table at the right leads to the IMI Galil variants page, instead of the INSAS variants page, which i dont think exists. prasad88 01:44, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * My thoughts exactly. will delete the link and create a new subtopic Kaushal mehta 13:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Also in the main article only four varients are given while the Ordanance Factory Board official site lists 5.56 mm Assault Rifle, Insas rifle (fixed band foldable butt with different weights),RIFLE EXCALIBUR 5.56 MM, MINSAS 5.56 MM PERSONAL CARBINE. I am new on wiki and don't have much experience so I haven't edited it now.--Nikhil Sanjay Bapat (talk) 06:23, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Can the LMG variant Mount a Drum, such as a C-mag? --Corporal Punishment 05:39, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The table shows weight of INSAS Rifle foldable Butt, cartrige of INSAS rifle and MINSAS carbine and so on. The specifications of  each varient are different and I think should be given separately.
 * Minsas is not a part of Insas family. According to DRDO most if its internal mechanism has been changed(modified). I've also read somewhere that DRDO is looking to apply for patients on this new mechanism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikikoti (talk • contribs) 04:43, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

MSMC
Though there is failure for the Assault Rifle, it is because of the composites used, and not much because of the design. The Indian scientists should train themselves on metallurgy and polymers more. Anyway, the MSMC Project is a success and many say, that it is as good as the Tavor(I don't know how much element of truth is there in this, but the project is a success). Maybe the OFB & DRDO will come up with a futuristic weapon, someday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.194.37.90 (talk) 12:06, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Buttplate is from 1A SLR, not Lee-Enfield
Examine the buttplate as shown on this hi-res image of an INSAS:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/INSAS_Black.JPG

Compare to that of a MkIII SMLE:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Lee-Enfield_Mk_III_%28No_1_Mk_3%29_-_AM.032056.jpg

A No4:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Lee-Enfield_No_4_Mk_I_%281943%29_-_AM.032027.jpg

And a 2A1:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/RFI_Rifle_7.62mm_2A1.JPG

The MkIII SMLE and No4 Lee-Enfield used a curved buttplate fitted to a buttstock with a corresponding curved rear face. The Indian 2A-series used the buttplate from the 1A SLR which was an aluminum casting with a flat rear face, reducing the amount of work needed to fit the buttplate to the buttstock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.152.94.226 (talk) 10:11, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Insas LMG Photo plz correct it has dog poo underneath it
Can someone edit the photo or contact author to? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.141.204.108 (talk) 13:50, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Splitting some info to Excalibur rifle article
Should we do it now since it's going to be a major rifle in Indian Army service? Ominae (talk) 15:27, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Former contracts for a 5.45-mm Assault rifle
In the late 80's India signed a contract with the former GDR about the WIEGER StG-940 assault rifle family. Due to the political development the contract was canceled by the FRG government after reunification of both Germanies. --2k11m1 (talk) 11:42, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

300,000 rifles
On Wikipedia itself, and many forums I check, it seems to be a common saying that India has 300,000 INSAS. But i just can't find a source corroborating the figures. Anyone else can enlighten me? -- Anurag2k12 (talk) 00:26, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅ have updated with citation.--Xzinger (talk) 11:47, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

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