Talk:IOS version history/Archive 3

obsolete v. discontinued
I changed it two times and it always got reverted.

Does anyone care to explain to me what the distingtion between version 3.1.3 and 4.2.1 is? As I see it, they are both discontinued and are NOT obsolete because they both are the highest available versions for some devices. They have both the exactly same status, just for different devices.

Why is 3.1.3 obsolete, while 4.2.1 is discontinued? Thanks in advance. --139.18.245.4 (talk) 10:10, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd like to know this too. --194.83.82.3 (talk) 09:43, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Just read the "abbr title" (tooltip things; when you mouse over on top of the description legend tables), as they very clearly explain what the difference is — they were added as we kept getting asked this question every five minutes in this very talk! Jimthing (talk) 05:59, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

iOS 6 Final Release Discrepancy
According to Apple's official iOS 6 website, it says "Coming This Fall". This implies that Apple is talking about the northern hemisphere's fall, which is September through November. I think that this article should say something like "iOS 6 final release: Sept. – Nov. 2012".

Also, could somebody please provide a reference to where it says that iOS 6 final version will be released precisely on September 9, 2012?

Thanks, 76.10.241.86 (talk) 18:00, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I am watching/repeatedly reverted bad edits here. The announcement sentence should say "Fall" (the ACTUAL term used during the keynote), then the date in the tables should be "September - November 2012", given northern vs. southern hemisphere have different autumns/springs AND Apple's worldwide sites use both "Fall" or "Spring" depending on the market of the site. Jimthing (talk) 00:09, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. Thank you! –– 76.10.241.86 (talk) 18:29, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way, it's very nice that Apple adapted the iOS 6 page depending on the country. –– 76.10.241.86 (talk) 18:31, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * They don't really "adapt" the iOS 6 page as such, as it's not a single webpage. Just like any international company, every country has their own sub-site, as part of the main Apple website (now 63 countries, I think). In addition, sometimes when you click to "buy" an item on the main US ".com" domain, they use IP regional selection to take you to the store for your country (though this sometimes doesn't work, so you often have to change the county code in the URL addess subdirectory, e.g. from "/us" to "/uk"). Jimthing (talk) 14:47, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not a single webpage, but the different sub-sites are all supposed to look similar, right? Aren't they all really the same except they have different locale info (language, currency, etc.) and a different web address? –– 76.10.241.86 (talk) 22:11, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Back to the original topic, it's a good thing that the release date has been confirmed by Apple. –– 76.10.241.86 (talk) 22:12, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Split?
This page is getting very big and heavy. Can this page be split into two articles? Or are there outdated or less relevant parts that can be removed? I was solving links to disambiguation pages tonight, and I noticed serious delays in handling them. The present article is now 150,429 bytes, too heavy to be comfortable. The Banner talk 19:16, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe we could split it into earlier and newer iOS: iOS 1.0-3.0 and 4.0-6.0. Or we could make a page for every major release (iOS 4, 5, 6, etc.) and use this as the primary page. –– 76.10.241.86 (talk) 22:15, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Or cut out all the minor changes... The Banner talk 20:28, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Some of the minor changes could be important. 15:40, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I would like to mention that I've discovered some small changes that I wouldn't have otherwise known about from reading the extensive lists on this page. I'm ok with any splitting, or moving, or whatever, but would really prefer that all of the content explaing the updates stay. I use them for reference quite often. 98.176.20.190 (talk) 23:05, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Since iOS 5 and 6 have their own articles, most of the information in those sections' version history could be removed here and added there. Sfoske70 (talk) 20:14, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * (No, they shouldn't be removed: see "All versions: single page" talk section below.) Jimthing (talk) 05:47, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

A Major Bug Discovered on iOS 6?
I heard that many users just upgraded to iOS 6, is having problems with the Wi-Fi connection that many cannot connect to wi-fi after upgrading to iOS 6, some people say it's a major bug on the operating system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.255.22.149 (talk) 23:29, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Not for me. I'm on 6.0 and I'm fine. Everyone I talked to that experienced that, I had them reboot, and it fixed it. Same with missing contacts and photos. --72.219.131.37 (talk) 23:39, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Nearly all the content has disappeared.
All the version history appears to be gone for iOS versions before iOS 6. Shigoroku (talk) 18:40, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * That's just because you need to click "show" on the tables for the other versions to see the full content. iOS 6 has the only table that is shown automatically. Alphius (talk) 23:03, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * As Alphius said above. This was discussed ages ago, and was done to load the page quicker and make it less cumbersome for viewers to read. I've just re-closed the expand>collapsed too, as some idiot had opened them completely unnecessarily! Jimthing (talk) 12:39, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * And I've had to close, yet again! WARNING — can newbies (specifically IP 112.209.x.x) stop wasting experienced users time by refraining from expanding the closed sections, as they may contribute to page scroll issues in some browsers on some platforms (hence other  version  histories having them also closed) — upon noticing they will be immediately reverted, so you're simply wasting your own time. Jimthing (talk) 07:08, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Setup archiving on talk page?
Do you think we should setup archiving on this talk page? It has 43 KB and 41 topics (excluding this one), which I think is plenty. Also, iOS is changing rapidly; therefore, older iOS versions (and their corresponding topics) are nearly obsolete.

Since I saw on the Wikipedia page on archiving talk pages that one should "establish consensus" before doing so, and that is why I am posting. I also thought that it might be more organized if we archive by iOS version – e.g. iOS 5 topics, iOS 5.1 topics, etc.

–– Anonymouse321 (talk) 04:55, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, if nobody chimes in, I guess I will just be bold and make the change myself. –– Anonymouse321 (talk • contribs) 06:35, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I support this.. Angstygangsta (talk) 21:13, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ –– Anonymouse321 (talk • contribs) 04:44, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks excellent! Thank you for your great work!! :) Angstygangsta (talk) 22:50, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

iOS 6.0.1 Update

 * Does anyone know what the Exchange calendar "fix" is?
 * Am I the only person who's found that MMS Messages now fail with 6.0.1? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TommyWillB (talk • contribs) 16:28, 5 November 2012 (UTC)


 * According to this support article by Apple:
 * It says the same "Fixes a bug affecting Exchange meetings".
 * I haven't tried, but there is nothing in the update that really is related to MMS messages.
 * Anonymouse321 (talk • contribs) 16:44, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

iPhone OS 1.0
I think it would be helpful to mention some of the features that came with iPhone OS 1.0 instead of just saying "Release of iPhone and iPhone OS." That would make it easier to see what improvements have been made to the iPhone OS/iOS since then. Sfoske70 (talk) 01:58, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

I changed iOS 3x-5x's bar from obsolete to discontinued. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.209.36.160 (talk) 04:32, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

iPhone OS renamed to iOS because the iPhone was no longer the only device?
This was the case from September 2007 when the iPod touch came out, so why would they not do it until June 2010? Even the iPad came out in April 2010. --194.83.82.3 (talk) 09:47, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * See the cite which clearly advertises the time of name change. Jobs announced it in the mid 2010 event's keynote (again, iTunes holds all recent keynotes) you could have checked before asking here. So the iPod Touch was out —so what?— they just decided the name change was right at the time they chose. Jimthing (talk) 22:51, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

I think they had problems with the name, iOS is protected by an other company. Apple have licensed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.212.20.161 (talk) 22:34, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

All versions: single page
Quote "removing iOS 5 and iOS 6 tables since 1) it will make the page load faster 2) all the info is already in the main articles 3) updates can now be made only one place)"

Some things clearly need reasoning here, as the above statement is misleading: Browsers across devices these days are generally able to cache a great deal of data on a single page, and this page is not actually that big in those terms anyway at circa a couple of hundred KBytes. However, for the tiny minority (if any?) that may not, simple use of the "collapsed" table markup is available to be be used here. This also specifically has the benefit of closing the older —less currently relevant to most users— data from automatically be loaded in the scrolling page view (see above talk section, re. user IP 112.x who pointlessly keeps expanding these!). One middleway idea that could be implemented to make expanding them easier for everyone, would be the addition of a button to "expand/collapse ALL sections" near the top of the page if a user wants to view all sections concurrently (though I cannot remember the markup available to do so, so someone else can add this, should they know how). Several other pages link to this page for info about version differences for this very reason — they can be compared easily on a single page (with help of the "collapsed" table view). Some users like to have the detail on sub-page to refer to separately, but that does not mean this central page should thus be devoid of the info as a consequence. Both should be maintained, if wanted separately, which shouldn't be hard to do with the several experienced editors watching pages to occasionally copy/paste the few times when needed. Something to remember here is that the separate pages (and version sections here) are only heavily active for a year during the version concerned, as the next version is usually then released. As with all OS's/software, they all have a finite active period, before something new supercedes them (e.g. one could clearly imagine a future Apple OS made of a joint OS X & iOS perhaps). So the page is unlikely to grow beyond a reasonable length, as the overall page size will be naturally limited accordingly anyway by the finiteness of its subject. -- Jimthing (talk) 00:00, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Page loading.
 * All versions should remain on THIS page: page should contain what it says it does.
 * All versions should remain on THIS page: it will be limited in overall size anyway.

Move these tables into templates
This page is kind of slow. I clicked the view history tab and it shows that this page contains 171 Kilobytes. These tables should be moved into templates so we can reduce memory on this page down to 1-10 Kilobytes. That means this page could load faster. Add a navbox on the template so users can click on E and edit the table. 24.218.110.195 (talk) 23:28 5 May 2013 (UTC) 7:28pm 5/05/2013 EDT.
 * If you have an idea as big as this, go and try it in a sandbox yourself, before commenting further. Then leave a message on my talk page, and on this talk page, linking to your sandbox, so others can comment on how good/bad it is. Then if enough users think it works, it can then be copied to here (and the sub-pages for iOS 5 and iOS 6 accordingly). Jimthing (talk) 11:30, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Another idea I had was that the tables should be 'transcluded' from this page main iOS version history page into each subpage for IOS 5, IOS 6, IOS 7? Something like this is VERY important as it helps significantly by stoping double editing and many errors creeping in across both pages continually, and they then don't both have to be checked through continually for inaccuracies.
 * I don't know how to set this up?? Any heavily experienced WP users out there who can do this efficiently? Jimthing (talk) 06:06, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ The last few versions of iOS have now been transcluded accordingly by user The Anonymouse (talk), so thanks to them. Jimthing (talk) 01:05, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep, nice one! (as I said on other talk pages!) Jimthing (talk) 11:07, 27 June 2013 (UTC)