Talk:IRiver

Encyclopedic value of Products list
Is an encyclopedia the place for a list of products that a company produces, unless the products themselves are notable? If not, should the product list on this page perhaps be removed? TigerShark 01:47, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree. People looking for general information on iRiver aren't going to want a list of their products. That kind of stuff can be kept on iRiver's website(s), and will be more up-to-date that way. Midg3t 10:51, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * I used this page to find information on their products, so I thought it was useful. (I also had to correct one memory capacity issue, but the rest was great.) Product history is great for people buying used items when the manufacturer doesn't list them because they're not currently manufactured. User:B.Krause March 19th, 2007

This is gonna sound pathetic, but: If you're not certain one way or another, I'd really rather you left the product lists on there, they took me (and other people) quite a lot of time and work to compile. At least email me at thomashiles@gmail.com if a decision is made so I can save the list to my computer. Thanks. pomegranate 19:48, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia's version tracking (aka history) saves all past revisions of an article. Reub2000 11:19, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Are the ifp-8xx series really candy-bar shaped? I have one and I don't really think so, it's definitely more prism-shaped. Is there a source for that info? Urbster1 18:12, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * You're right, but I couldn't think of a better word for them.. well, Toblerone is prism-shaped, huh? pomegranate 18:51, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

Shouldn't this page have more information about iRiver, the release dates of the new mp3s for 2005 and more information about the company? If you want, I could update it because I am a iRiver fan ^^daniel 20:55, 11 July, 2005 (AEST)

Iriver has recently begun writing their company name in all lowercase as can be seen on all their material. Shouldn't all instances of "iRiver" be changed to "iriver" or at least "Iriver"? --Rasher 17:59, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Limited OGG support
Quote: "The IFP will only play OGG files encoded at >96kbps and < 225kpbs. (...) From what I have learnt, it is unlikely that iRiver will change this limitation in the future."

I noticed no such limitation for the iRiver T10. Most of my OGG Vorbis files are encoded at ca. 80kbps, and all of them play fine. Aragorn2 18:49, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Discontinued Products
Should we really consider the H100 and H300 lines as not being discontinued? iriver of America has stopped supporting and making both of them. Europe only offers the H300. Korea is the only one that offers both. Shouldn't there at least be a note next to them? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stu L Tissimus (talk • contribs).

Trivia
This may sound stupid, but I recently noticed that an upside-down mirror image of the iriver logo spells "iliagl", which sounds quite a lot like "illegal" to me. I doubt that this has any place in the article, as it's probably not intentional, but it's a kinda fun fact ;)
 * It's a stretch, at best...--NPswimdude500 21:31, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

UMS and MTP Support
I've added some notes in flash players and alternative firmware on the availability (since May 2006) of the firmware updater. Consequently also removed a comment criticising T30 for not have UMS support. Hope that's OK. Ralphbk 06:49, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Current Event?
Sorry If I neglected something obvious, but what does the current event tag on the page refer to? --Zephirum 20:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It was for CES but I don't really understand why it was needed. I'll remove it. Michael Greiner 04:44, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

picture of a red t10
I took a picture of a red t10 to include in the article: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Iriver_t10_red.jpg

any objections? --212.202.42.68 13:04, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * No. Michael Greiner 13:14, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

CES page
I'm sorry but I don't see the multilingual content that we are supposed to be linking to here. Yes the list of products has short feature summaries of the products, but aside from that at least two thirds is in Korean. Why are we linking to this page? What information are we supposed to be getting from it? AlistairMcMillan 04:16, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * They're showing off prototypes of as-yet-unreleased products coming over the next year. That's what they show off at CES.  Since this is hard-to-find information, it deserves a link.  Yakuman (数え役満) 04:22, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Where exactly in the linked article does it say this? All I can see is a list of products and "iriver at CES2007".  Wouldn't it be better to link an article like this that covers at least some of the same products and actually talks about them?  AlistairMcMillan 05:10, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Old river logo2.jpg
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iriver ebook reader?
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/13/iriver-prepping-handwriting-friendly-e-book-tablet/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.189.147.101 (talk) 18:25, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Someone needs to aid some info about their e-book line e.g. Iriver Story.118.208.110.223 (talk) 04:35, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

need for disambiguation
This article uses the symbol GB (for gigabyte) with two different meanings. Sometimes it means 1 billion bytes (10003 B) and sometimes 1 gibibyte (10243 B). Following mosnum, I have tried to help the reader by indicating on first use and then each time the meaning changes which kind of gigabytes they are. I'm sure the meaning can be made clearer, though I am not sure how. I welcome suggestions from editors. Thunderbird2 (talk) 10:20, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Oops didn't notice your discussion section when I made my change. Anyway, here are my thoughts. The Wikipedia Manual of style says on the topic : There is no consensus to use the newer IEC-recommended prefixes in Wikipedia articles to represent binary units. There is consensus that editors should not change prefixes from one style to the other, especially if there is uncertainty as to which term is appropriate within the context—one must be certain whether "100 GB" means binary not decimal units in the material at hand before disambiguation.
 * So what I would take this to mean is, don't change GB to GiB unless you can cite a source that specifically says it is GiB. From my experience, manufacturers will slap a 1GB title on a product when it does not exactly match either 10^9 of 2^30 so we should use GB to cover this vagueness. --WaterWolf (talk) 17:33, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I am fully aware of the wording, and was therefore careful to never change GB to GiB. Rather, I left GB and added a disambiguation at those places where GiB is intended (RAM comes in powers of 2).  Are you really saying that you prefer the ambiguity? Thunderbird2 (talk) 18:03, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I think the problem is your disambiguation made it look like the GB was definitely a GiB even though we aren't sure. Perhaps the GB symbol should just link to the Gigabyte page which explains the ambiguity of the symbol there. Unless we can say for certain that the first 1GB player made by iRiver had exactly 1GiB of storage space then I think we need to leave it ambiguous rather than potentially wrong. --WaterWolf (talk) 12:49, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps it is useful to take a particular example. An extract from the article reads:
 * "iFP-100 series: (32 MB, 64 MB, 128 MB, 256 MB, 512 MB) USB 1.1 connectivity. Plays MP3, WMA and WAV files. Prism shaped. MTP (UMS upgradable)."
 * I believe that "MB" is used here to mean 10242 bytes and that the article can be improved by stating so explicitly. (The megabyte is listed at WP:UNITS as one of the units requiring disambiguation. For the gigabyte it becomes even more important.) Thunderbird2 (talk) 17:36, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * If you're that specific on terms like these, you've got a whole lot of work to do. Every computing or technological article uses the 'GB' term, and it really stands for Gigabyte, or the definition that Wikipedia gives to the word "Gigabyte". --Jw 21 / PenaltyKillah 19:07, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I am that specific. And yes, there are many articles that can be improved in this regard. The Wikipedia definition of gigabyte is ambiguous, and mosnum requires us to disambiguate.  Do these MB (the ones in the example I chose for iFP-100) stand for 1000^2 B or 1024^2 B? Thunderbird2 (talk) 23:08, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Well that's the thing. If we knew the iFP-100 was exactly 1024^2 then we could put in Mebibyte, but these sizes can change depending on the manufacturer or the product. A manufacturer does not have to conform to any particular standard when using the term MB or GB. As it is, Megabyte covers both 1000^2, 1024^2 and any other vague variations in between. --WaterWolf (talk) 15:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Are you seriously suggesting that "32 MB, 64 MB, 128 MB, 256 MB, 512 MB" may not be a binary sequence? Thunderbird2 (talk) 16:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * All things aside, Creative's ZEN Vision:M specifically notes, on the box, that a gigabyte equals to 1 billion bytes. For manufacturers that are aware of that, like Creative, leave those intact. --Jw 21 / PenaltyKillah 16:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

USB cables
Pages 13 of the PDF user manual on the mini CD that comes with my iriver E100 says "Do not use any USB cable other than the one included with the product. It may cause a malfunction." WTF? Does anyone know anything about this apparently non-standard USB cable? — Chameleon 06:15, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Standard USB cables "should" work, iriver are most probably covering their backs in case a dodgy cable destroys a player. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Verysharpnewspaper (talk • contribs) 08:39, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


 * iriver has a long lasting tradition (at least from iriver U10) to abuse a "standard" usb by non-standard modifications. Apart from changing the connector from model to model (thus making extensions useless), they added e.g. a fifth pin to a four pin USB standard, changed the plug length for mini USB and used higher power. If they do claim not to use standard cable, I'd recommend to take this warning serious. --Traut (talk) 11:27, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Websites hacked??
iriver's USA site (www.iriveramerica.com) as well as several other sites apparently owned & operated by iriver are being flagged as 'Attack Sites' by Google, as well as the integrated protection mechanisms in Firefox. I've added a section (in bold) to warn users of the issues. Drlegendre (talk) 05:58, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

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Requested move 20 April 2022

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The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) Colonestarrice (talk) 09:04, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

IRIVER → iRiver – Proposing to revert to the name used before 15 August 2005‎, per MOS:TM, MOS:ALLCAPS, WP:TITLETM. There was also an undiscussed move from (with lowercase) to  earlier today. Both of those moves were just following the company's whims for promotional styling of the same name. Lots of companies style their names with all-capital or all-lowercase letters for brand promotion, and Wikipedia prefers not to help promote that sort of decorative styling. Consider TIME, KISS, ASUS, SONY, MOTOROLA, REALTOR, adidas, nintendo, facebook, pyrex, etc. —&#8288;&#8202;&#8288;BarrelProof (talk) 18:26, 20 April 2022 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support as per nom. 162 etc. (talk) 19:38, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Neutral > Leaning more against You may have a good point about the decorative styling, but wouldn't, in that case, "Iriver" be the best name to move to? Because naming it "iRiver" is also technically incorrect, but Iriver would not be. --Morita Akio (talk) 20:32, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't see any sources using "Iriver". It also seems more difficult to figure out how to pronounce that. In modern usage for the names of companies and their products, mashing words or syllables together and starting each one with a capital letter has become a fairly well accepted style (see camel case). Starting with a lowercase "i" or "e" has also become more common, and this brand competed with the iPod, which is styled that way rather than "Ipod". —&#8288;&#8202;&#8288;BarrelProof (talk) 21:24, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 20:02, 22 April 2022 (UTC)