Talk:ITV (TV channel)/Archive 1

It is officially known as Channel 3
What does this mean? Grant 12:18, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Legally, the franchise-holders have licenses to broadcast as part of an entity called "Channel 3". In practice, the name is not used in any other context. --Bonalaw 17:49, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I see. I've now linked it. Grant 23:15, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Neither of the articles (ITV or ITV1) discuss its style of programming or public perceptions thereof. Like the fact that when ITV celebrated its 50th anniversary some people congratulated it on 30 years of quality programming and 20 years of crap.

Schedule removal
I had to remove the schedule from the article, regardless of its unencyclopedic value (see section 1.7.3. of WP:NOT), schedules from the BBC, ITV and Channel 4 require a royalty fee to be paid to Broadcasting Dataservices (BDS), as per schedule 17 (and not section 17 as I put in the edit history - whoops!) of the Broadcasting Act 1990. A similar situation occurred with the GMTV article not so long ago either.

And I quote from Broadcasting Dataservices:

The programme summaries are the subject matter of copyright. The information may only be reproduced pursuant to a licence issued by the copyright owner or pursuant to the statutory licence set out in Schedule 17 of the Broadcasting Act 1990. This ruling affects BBC1, BBC2, ITV and Channel 4 terrestrial channels only. Broadcasting Dataservices is the agent of BBC Worldwide, the ITVA companies and Channel 4 in the matter of issuing copyright licences and collecting copyright fees.

Please don't add a schedule back into the article. More information and sources can be found here: Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems --tgheretford (talk) 12:40, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * This discussion is now archived at: Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems/Archive 8 --tgheretford (talk) 23:05, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * See link above as to why the current schedule needs changing to prose or removing which has been added tonight. --tgheretford (talk) 23:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

New Idents
It is rumoured that on Monday 13 November ITV1 will have 5 new idents either replacing or running with the current set, but keeping the logo. Although no source has been given. see this link from TVforum. London UK ( talk ) 23:55, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Viewers
cant this article be changed so it is like ITV2? with viewing figs ect, Then any ITV info moved to the ITV article because at the moment we have two articles telling us the same stuff mark999 21:50, 23 february 2007 (UTC)


 * Nope. ITV1 is not a channel - it is an unofficial name used accross 11 of the 15 regional ITV Network licences. ITV is the article in which you should put viewing figures in.

Therefore viewing figures are taken nationwide accross the whole of the ITV network. /Marbles 13:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * ITV incorporates all 15 Channel 3 franchises accross the UK.
 * ITV1 incorporates 11 of those 15 Channel 3 franchises ONLY in England in Wales.


 * ...And as it is made up of these franchises, they broadcast the ITV1 channel. It is an official name, as they broadcast the IVT1 channel under the ITV1 name. Marbles, you seem to have a real problem with associating brand names with products etc. Freeview, for example, is a service not 'the brand name of a group of companies which provide a service', as people refer to 'Freeview' to easily describe this service. MathiasFox 09:18, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Its simple. ITV is the channel, ITV1 is the broadcast name used by 12 franchisees. I never said that. ITV1 does not have ratings of its own as it is not UK-wide; ITV does - which is what the user wants to do. And I have not made those claims about Freeview. /Marbles 10:19, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Except ITV1 is the national name of the channel and the name used onscreen by twelve of the franchises. All of the ITV companies agreed to changed the channel's name to ITV1 in 2001.


 * I have proven this many times before on Talk:Freeview but a couple of people chose to ignore the blatant evidence. Eventually, a compromise was reached where all of the onscreen names (ITV1, STV and UTV) were used.


 * Nevertheless, this article is technically inaccurate for saying the ITV1 is only a brand name used by twelve franchises because it is also the national name of the channel. I'm not going to change it because some people will ignore the truth and change it back and, unfortunately for Wikipedia, it is often the most belligerent, not the most accurate, editors than get their way. - Green Tentacle 17:57, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Schedule Removal (part 2)
I have removed the schedule that has been added, as before AFAICT this contravenes WP:NOT. Secondly the changes deleted a large amount of content on the article Pit-yacker 15:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Just to note, as above and with ITV1, there are also legal complications for the Wikimedia Foundation to have a schedule in this article without making a payment to Broadcasting Dataservices. --tgheretford (talk) 18:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:ITV1logo06.png
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Section:Programming
This section "Programming" is irrelevant to ITV1 and applies to the WHOLE network, not just the ITV1 regions... shouldn't this be featured in the ITV article? Additionally Corporate Unification should become a sub-level of the History section. /Marbles (talk) 21:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Dubious
I guess I should copy to here my edit comment from when I added the dubious tag against the sentence "It should be noted that outside of ITV plc, ITV is still the official name of the main channel":


 * "See http://www.itv.com/TVGuide/default.html. The "main" channel is called "ITV1", not "ITV". Newspaper listings are the same. I don't understand what "outside of ITV plc" is meant to signify either" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.245.156 (talk) 01:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * ITV is still ITV, ITV1 is the 'brand' name of 12 of the regions, STV is used for 2 regions and UTV for 1 region. Granada and Carlton merged to form ITV plc which owns the 11 regions branded ITV1 (except Channel) and launched itv.com, that is why the website says 'ITV1' and not 'ITV'. --AxG  @   ► talk  02:15, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply. The opening paragraph makes a lot more sense (to me) now that the assertion that the "main channel" is not called ITV1 has been removed. In general usage "outside of ITV plc" it clearly is called ITV1. 86.134.43.175 (talk) 02:23, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Legally, outside of ITV plc and Channel Television Limited, the ITV1 brand is non-existant. The network is still called ITV or Channel 3. ITV/Channel 3 is operated by ITV Network Ltd, which consists of ALL of the ITV regional companies. ITV1 however is just a "cover-up" brand if you like used by the 11 franchises owned by ITV plc, which was formed from Granada and Carlton's merger. ITV plc own all the English and Welsh franchises, therefore rather than continuing the regional names, they were removed in favour of the single "ITV1", however ITV1 is not, never has been and not likely to be, ITV. The ITV1 name was simply introduced due to the presence of an "ITV2". The same happens in Scotland. The company that owns both regional franchises up there is SMG plc, and uses the brand STV on both of them, in the same way as ITV1 by ITV plc.


 * ITV = The actual UK-wide network, owned by ITV Network Ltd, legally named Channel 3.
 * ITV1 = The brand given to ITV/Channel 3 in England/Wales/Channel Islands, used by ITV plc
 * ITV plc = The company which owns 11 the ITV regional franchises in England, Wales and Southern Scotland, formed from the 2004 merger of Granada and Carlton Communications.
 * ITV Network Ltd = The central 'operator' of ITV as a whole. Owned by all 15 of the regional ITV companies (which comprises of ITV plc, STV Group plc, UTV Media, Channel Television)
 * STV - The brand given to ITV/Channel 3 in both Scottish franchises, used by STV Group plc
 * UTV = The brand given to ITV/Channel 3 in Northern Ireland, used by UTV Media
 * GMTV = The brand given to ITV/Channel 3 UK-wide breakfast hours

/Marbles (talk) 16:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

ITV1 doesn't exist
Some people seems to have a real problem in distinguishing between ITV and ITV1

ITV is a television Network

ITV1 is a generic Brand and has no legal existance

Even ITV plc admit to this in the about section of there website -Anon
 * Do you mean User:Green Tentacle or User:Marbles there? If you are referring to "User:Marbles", as you can tell above I have already clearly established the correct position of ITV, ITV1, ITV plc and other commonly confused terms above, when I posted it six months ago. Both you and I observe the fact ITV1 is simply a brand, which is not used in any official contracts between the ITV plc owned companies and Ofcom. /Marbles (talk) 16:09, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Good work Matey,Sorry if i got the wrong name originally -Anon

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using Digital Spy as citation source (URL links) -19, 20, and 21
Digital Spy is not a definitive source of information for the citations numbered 19, 20, and 21, but only a second hand reporter, and generally a poor one at that.

Furthermore, as Digital Spy is an advertising funded site, I suggest that these citation links may have been deliberately added as page hit boosting links for increased advertising revenue to the Digital Spy owners.

Wikipedia articles should not be used as a conduit for generating advertising revenue for commercial sites.

I suggest that these links be removed and replaced with links to primary sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.254.64.121 (talk) 14:54, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The sources, are fine, and suggesting that the links had been added to boost its readership, is nonsense, a large number of sites, e.g. The Daily Mail, The Guardian, The Sun, ITV, Channel 4 etc. are run by advertising, why is Digital Spy different? The site is a TV news site, which has been running for a decade now, with many Wikipedia articles having using it as a source. --  [[ axg  ◉  talk   ]] 20:54, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Pre ITV 1 Branding Midlands
According to this the pre-itv 1 branding for the Central region was Central but if I am correct the name for the midlands channel 3 licance used was Carlton from September 6th 1999 and the announcers said "your with carlton at the heart of the central region" which would make its pre itv 1 branding as Carlton Central and not simply central.C. 22468   Talk to me  00:40, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Name Change
In January 2013 the article will be renamed ITV (TV channel) as per discussion on ITV talk page, this is to distinguish it from the current ITV article which will become ITV (TV network). Further discussion on the ITV talk page. Mark999 (talk) 22:33, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

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