Talk:I Dream of Jeannie/Archive 1

Time travel television series
"Category:Time travel television series" is a newly-created category. There is a discussion over how much "time travel" should occur in a series before it should be included in this category. Please join the discussion in that category's discussion. Val42 19:43, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Geography
I've heard Baghdad mentioned in the show as "back home" (my memory on this is a bit fuzzy so don't hold me to), but Farsi is not spoken there. So just where do we say she is from? Sweetfreek 00:23, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * During the first season, she seems to alternate between Persia and Baghdad (which, obviously, isn't in Persia). I don't think the writers were too keen on accuracy or cultural sensitivity. 68.161.34.130 15:57, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

The Bottle & Jim Beam
Isn't Jim Beam (and by extension, "Beam's Choice") a bourbon rather than scotch? Google searches show Beam as bourbon. There's an Ebay listing for the bottle that calls it Scotch, though that info could have been taken from this page. Rizzleboffin 20:43, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

The famous Jim Beam bottle used in the show was produced by Wheaton Glass in 1964. Between 500,000 - 600,000 bottles were produced for Jim Beam and they were used to bottle more than just the Beam's Choice brand of bourbon. Gilbey's Spey-Royal Scotch was also sold in this bottle as was Ph. Boileux California Brandy and Dark Eyes Vodka 16:57, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Further Clarification
The Jim Beam bottles were used for more than just Beam's Choice Bourbon. It was also used to bottle Gilbey's Scotch Whiskey as well as Ph.Boilieux California Brandy. The bottle pops up from time to time on eBay with varying labels, but it is the same bottle.

A correction needs to be made to the article about the Evil Sister TV reunion bottle. The colors are not a two tone black and green bottle, but actually a two tone green and dark green bottle. The dark forest green color appears to look black, but as an artist I've been researching the bottle and have received photos of the actual bottle while it was on display at Sony Pictures from another bottle artist.

Many have asked how so many bottles have survived all these years? In my research, I learned that Wheaton Glass made somewhere between 500-600,000 bottles. So you can imagine that even if only half of the bottles survived, you're still talking about 250-300,000 bottles floating around in basements, barns, estate auctions, garage sales, and flea markets.

Jack Becker designed the bottle for Wheaton, but it was Roy Cramer who designed the actual production blueprints and altered the bottle's concept designs to accomodate the correct volume of liquor.

Bob Purcell created the 2nd thru 5th season design for I Dream of Jeannie, but it was an unknown Screen Gems prop artist named "Mitch" (last name unknown) who actually painted the bottles.

Navel
From what I remember reading/learning (though I'll have to try to find some sources) the issue with her navel being covered was that the network would only allow either Jeannie's cleavage or navel to be exposed, but not both. The show more often than not opted for the cleavage Pnkrockr 16:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Contemporary English
In the pilot, when rescued Jeannie speaks Persian (not Arabic as is often stated), and can only speak English when Tony wishes her to. (And even then, she inexplicably speaks archaic English until she learns the modern form.) Yet, whenever anyone from Jeannie's family show up, or she visits them, etc., they speak perfect contemporary English.


 * Well, duh, how many of her other family members were locked up in a bottle during the thousand year period that the English language developed? In order to grant Tony's wish that she speak English, on the first attempt she must have been channelling one of her breathren who was rather behind on his studies.  MaxEnt 09:33, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

You're REALLY not supposed to think too deeply about these things. LOL LizFL (talk) 04:15, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a 60's sitcom.

Movie Rumors
Who is sourcing these rumors? And is basically every 'hot chick' being eyed as a potential actress for the part? 204.69.139.16 (talk) 17:40, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't even know if they have a script now (Sony/Columbia fired Gurinder Chadra(?) for her -- I quote -- "appalling lack of knowledge about the show, the brand, and the characters that fans have come to love over the years.") LizFL (talk) 04:19, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

On June 12, 2008, it was reported that Rita Hsiao has been brought onboard to rewrite the script for the big-screen adaptation of the 1960s series. Hsiao is the latest to take a stab at the script for the long-planned project. At least five others have penned scripts, including husband-and-wife writing duo Cormac and Marianne Wibberley. The director and cast will be chosen after the script is in place 17:08, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Good Eats episode
There is a scene in "Urban Preservation II" (beef jerky) where "W," dressed in a Jeannie costume, teaches host Alton Brown about food dehydrators. NBK1122 (talk) 04:07, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Enhanjeannie.jpg
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Fair use rationale for lyrics
Fair Use Law 17 U.S.C. 107 (1988 & Supp. IV 1993). Section 107 provides in part:

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, ... for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebiggnome (talk • contribs) 00:23, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Never mind fair use; why is it notable (especially, since it was admittedly never used)?! Carlos_X (talk) 22:28, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The lyrics were used in a commercially-released version of the song by Hugo Montenegro, His Orchestra and Chorus (though the song didn't chart). AnonMoos (talk) 16:26, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Why is this written?
"In the first season, it is made clear that Jeannie was originally a human who was turned into a genie by (as later revealed) the Blue Djinn when she refused to marry him. Several members of her family, including her parents, are rather eccentric, but none are genies. Her mother describes the family as "just peasants from the old country"."


 * Isn't her sister a genie too? Punkymonkey987 (talk) 20:22, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Her sister didn't exist in Season One.LizFL (talk) 23:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

"neatnik"
"Neatnik" is not particularly Yiddish-influenced; there was a general fad for "-nik" words in the late 1950's / early 1960's after Sputnik. AnonMoos (talk) 16:21, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Movie
What about the softcore porn film "Genie in a String Bikini" by Fred Olen Ray? Appears to be a parody of the show Prince Bee (talk) 09:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Djinn-djinn
What about the uniform-hating genie dog? What was the acting dog's real name? What kind of dog was he? Did they use more than one dog for the role? NBK1122 (talk) 20:57, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Article move
Why was this article moved/renamed?? There was NO discussion or vote about it. Andyross (talk) 12:34, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Tony Jr. or Sister's Bottle?
Which one is it? I say the green bottle featured in I Still Dream of Jeannie can be most accurately called the Tony Jr. bottle (There is absolutely NO furniture inside the bottle. Therefore, it stands to reason that Jeannie2 never lived there and that she furthermore created the bottle for the express purpose of trapping Tony Jr.)  LizFL (talk) 11:34, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The issue with your comments is that they aren't supported fact. You're inferring and assuming a conclusion, and there's no support given for your subsequent claims. ~ Amory (talk) 13:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I have to agree with Amorymeltzer. Your observations are erroneous. In another edit to this article it was stated that the original script refers to this bottle as the Jeannie2 bottle. Whatever conclusion you may wish to draw from watching the film it is clear that from the production point of view your assumption is not supported. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Camber96 (talk • contribs) 19:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

What other reason could she possibly have had to create the bottle? There was no furniture inside the bottle (Contrast the so-called "Jeannie2" bottle with Jeannie's lavishly decorated bottle.) It stands to reason that she did not live there (Given a choice, why would someone as spoiled rotten as Jeannie2 live in such spartan conditions?)

Jeannie's bottle and The Blue Djinn's bottle are so named because each of them LIVES in their respective bottles. Why do you insist on making an exception for Jeannie2?

OK, it's (allegedly) in the script. At the same time, not everyone has read the script. Ergo, that does not make it gospel.

Furthermore, what ultimately matters is what is seen onscreen (FACT: Jeannie2 created the bottle for the express purpose of trapping Tony Jr..  She did it with the intention of keeping HIM in there.)

You accuse me of operating on "erroneous assumptions". Tell me, given what is presented onscreen, what I am expected to assume (And please, do try to give an answer other than "it's in the script".) LizFL (talk) 19:10, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Two things:
 * "OK, it's (allegedly) in the script." That's all we need.  As this is a movie, the script is cannon (absent contradictions, which aren't present here), regardless of readership.  More people knowing a fact doesn't make it any more true.
 * I've never seen the script. Most fans have never seen the script.  Hence the term, "allegedly".
 * Furthermore, since when has IDOJ ever taken canon seriously? (Jeannie's parents were mortals in S1 and genies in S2.  Jeannie was born a mortal in S1 yet she was born a genie in S2.  Need I go on?)
 * It is irrelevant why the bottle was created. If it was named the Jeannie2 bottle, then that is what it is named.  I can drink milk out of a vase but that does not make it a cup.
 * Neither of my arguments matter, however, in the face of WP:NOR. If you can produce a verifiable reference that states that calling the bottle Tony, Jr.'s bottle is apt, then by all means edit the article. ~ Amory (talk) 20:35, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

The typical viewer has not read the script. The typical viewer is not EXPECTED to read the script. What matters is what appears onscreen.

We're splitting hairs. I seriously doubt TPTB writing the film ever intended the script to be gospel (Read: the final word on anything.)

Where is the script? Care to provide a link? I cannot find it online.


 * I agree completely about splitting hairs. My only point is that the script, however fallible or unread it is, is so far the only source.  If you can find a source calling it Tony, Jr.'s bottle or anything else, or even that there is disagreement, I'll support your change in a heartbeat.  Until then, I say let it be. ~ Amory (talk) 21:36, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * [Exhibit A] [|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1205|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A2|294%3A50 "Evil Sister" bottle]
 * I resent being told that what I think is wrong and that I have to sit down, shut up, and pretend that what I (and others) think doesn't matter because it wasn't "in the script" (Never mind the fact that we can make a case for our views.)
 * I resent being silenced. You act as if there's only one correct term for Jeannie2's/The Sister's/Evil Sister's/Tony Jr. bottle. You act as if the matter is settled when it is not.
 * Are we the fans not permitted to disagree with the script's nomenclature? Clearly, the script is not the final authority on what to call Jeannie2's/Tony Jr.'s/The Sister's/The Evil Sister's bottle.LizFL (talk) 21:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Citing the script has problems of its own (The script has not been widely published. It was never intended for mass distribution.  Furthermore, given that the bottle has no name other than that which has been allegedly cited in the script (No name that was mentioned onscreen, at least), you are quoting what is in essence a passing reference [ WP:V ].)

Can we find a compromise and put an end to the edit war? We are blowing a passing reference in the script grossly out of proportion. WP:COMMON LizFL (talk) 09:41, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Citations are not useless rules! Scripts are a primary source of information superseding your opinions. You can still hold your opinion without misleading Wikipedia readers into thinking your opinions are based on facts.

You extrapolate that Jeannie's Sister created the bottle solely to trap Tony Jr. but there is no such indication in the movie. An alternate observation is that the interior bottle set used for the sister's bottle is the same as that used for Jeannie's bottle without the furnishings. Since Jeannie's sister had lost her master and was banished to the ethereal plane it can be deduced that Jeannie's sister no longer had need of her bottle and used it to trap Tony Jr.

The WP:COMMON does not waive WP:NOR. Simply because the script is not widely available does not reduce its significance as a primary source, in fact it makes it even more valuable for shedding light on a debate such as this. As you know scripts contain references to props, settings, costumes and actions as well as scenes that may never appear in the final edit of the produced work. That lack of inclusion in the final production does not reduce the import of the information contained in the script.

There are plenty of places where the merit of your observations may be debated but an article in the Wikipedia is not one of them. --Camber96 (talk) 10:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The script has not been published by a reputable publishing house [ WP:V ] [ WP:RS ]. (By "reputable", I presume WP means a reputable mass-market publisher such as Doubleday, HarperCollins, Viking, etc.)

You would have me bend the rules for you, but you will not bend them for me. LizFL (talk) 22:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey LizFL, I just wanted to say I think you did an awesome job removing the section. I think we're better off dealing with it here in a calm and collected manner than having everyone reverting the edits back and forth.  Way to be bold! ~ Amory ( user  •  talk  •  contribs ) 22:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)