Talk:I Dreamed a Dream (musical)

Article structure
I left you some guidance. The character names should not be bold - can you de-bold them please? For more information, see WikiProject Musical Theatre/Article Structure. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:36, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Im actually unsure which part of the wikitable casuses the boldness, i've tried fiddling with it but not getting anywhere. It was actually copied over from another musical page and tweaked. Thanks there is little info available at this time and I'm hoping i can greatly expand. Im not the best at writing a synopsis but will try over the next couple of days if no one better than me has had a go first. There are three sources that together at least give a brief picture. Edinburgh   Wanderer  22:38, 29 March 2012 (UTC)


 * OK, it's coming along - no rush, really. The synopsis should be an act-by-act description of the action and events in the story.  I started a tentative one based on what the reviews say, but it will need to be refined when we get more info.  A few songs have been mentioned, but it appears that Susan's parents sing quite a few other songs in Act I.  We'll have to wait and find out what they are.  If it turns out that they are all or nearly all songs that Susan has recorded, we should call this a "Jukebox musical. All the best!  -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:31, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I would say it is a Jukebox musical mostly. What do you think. Edinburgh   Wanderer  22:18, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess it is. A jukebox musical usually uses either songs by a particular performer or group, or songs of an era.  This is a combination.  But the songs are previously published songs, I suppose that it is a jukebox musical.  I'll make it so.  --Ssilvers (talk) 00:06, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Synopsis
The Susan Boyle fan site has a rather detailed synopsis started. Nearly a 100 of them were eye witnesses in Newcastle this week and most of them watched the musical twice. I can ask them to put together a complete synopsis if this is allowable or does this need to be cited from an article? Pumpkin10 (talk) 22:09, 30 March 2012 (UTC)


 * The synopsis is OK without a cite, as it is a summary of the script itself. But the synopsis should simply describe the events in the script, without editorializing at all.  Also, it should not be too long  only three or four paragraphs for each act is normal (maybe 700 or so words, total).  If you give me a link to what they wrote, I can try to construct one of the customary length. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:57, 31 March 2012 (UTC)


 * This thread from the forum has a lot of tidbits from various eyewitnesses. Forum IDAD-Opening-performance There is a lot to be gleaned from it from the many posts. Post #201 has good detail. Posts #298, #232, and #257 give an idea of what scenes used dramatic license in making changes. Here is another thread with tidbits from the preview night.  IDAD Musical-PreviewsPumpkin10 (talk) 08:55, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I looked at those links, but I couldn't find the synopsis information. If you or someone collects the plot details here, I'd be happy to add them to the synopsis.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:06, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * There are a number of people who have given summaries, but they are not a complete synopsis. I've asked one person if she could use her summaries to complete a synopsis, she has agreed and is going to ask help from others to make sure it is accurate.I gave her directions on how it should be written. When she has completed it, I will bring it over and I may need your help to make the final finishing touches Pumpkin10 (talk) 20:58, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool! -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:42, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

[left]The synopsis is posted. It does exceed the maximum 1100 words but the wiki theatre structure page does say it is allowable to go over for musicals since the musical numbers need to be incorperated into the prose. The plot for this is different in the sense that this musical has interaction with Susan as an adult who is narrating her own story. The stage, the narrator, and the audience interaction is as much a part of this musical as is the plot within the scenes that unfold. At times, other actors step out of the scene to speak to the audience as well. Pumpkin10 (talk) 18:53, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * This is pretty good. It is still a bit too long.  I streamlined it a little, particularly taking out the "meta" information (information about the "production" rather than the story) and some editorializing.  The fact that Susan narrates can be described in a "production" section but should be minimized in the plot description.  If you can trim it a little more, that would be helpful; otherwise editors may come by who try to gut it.  So you're better off doing it yourself..  -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:19, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Musical numbers
The article says:
 * "How Great Thou Art" – Medley: Susan's mother
 * "The Prayer" – Medley: Susan
 * "Scarlet Ribbons" – Medley: Susan's father

Is this one extended musical number that includes verses from each of these three songs, or is each of these, in itself, a medley? Can you describe this a little more so I can figure out what to do with it? Perhaps it should be like this?: -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:17, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Medley:
 * "How Great Thou Art" – Susan's mother
 * "The Prayer" – Susan
 * "Scarlet Ribbons" – Susan's father


 * Susan, her mother, and her father at first sing individually snippets of The Prayer (Susan), How Great Thou Art (her mother), and Scarlet Ribbons (her father). Then the 3 songs intertwine and harmonize. Pumpkin10 (talk) 17:19, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. I called it "medley and counterpoint", which indicates that the three songs end up happening simultaneously. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:18, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Historical differences?
If there are any respects in which the plot differs from actual historical fact, or if important details of Boyle's actual life are omitted, there should be a new section that discusses the artistic/dramatic choices made to change/omit details. It doesn't need to discuss tiny details, but, for example, if names of important characters or places are changed, or if, for example, the action of the musical skips over Boyle's early recordings and earlier competitions, this should be noted in the new section. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:22, 31 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Pumpkin noted above that here is a forum discussion about opening night. Posts #298, #232, and #257 discuss some scenes used dramatic license in making changes. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:44, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

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