Talk:I Like It When You Sleep, for You Are So Beautiful yet So Unaware of It

Capitalization
The album is being stylized in all lowercase (save for the "I"): I like it when you sleep, for you are so beautiful yet so unaware of it. Should the article title and all references to the album be changed to match this? Amccann421 (talk) 05:29, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Reliable sources strongly seem to favor either start case or title case, not sentence case. The article should reflect reliable sources. Grayfell (talk) 23:24, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Composer credits
I don't see any clear credits for the composer(s) of the various tracks. I think their previous album had composer credits for all band members. The 'personnel' section here only mentions Healy as 'composer'. Does this mean he is the sole composer, or is this an oversight?109.150.7.161 (talk) 20:41, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The track listing section now lists all four members as writers and composers. Amccann421 (talk) 04:43, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Genres
Hello! Here is an area where any users would like to discuss and come to a conclusion about the genres of this album.

I would like to start off by saying that the genres listed do not accurately reflect the style of the album. It seems that users are adding many genres that apply to one track from the album which is picky and overcrowding. Typically umbrella terminology is used in describing the album's over style and genre. Using sources that state several genres just because one song has a specific genre is very picky and fighting about it is immature. I was the original user (along with help from another anon) when the album was released to use the genres: Alternative rock, indie pop, electropop and ambient. These genres were referenced and cited correctly and was relevant and followed the source. These genres remained on the page for several weeks and a user has come by and damaged and vandalized the genre section with upwards of 8 genres with only one source. After removing them and reverting it back to the original genres listed using umbrella terminology, the page became protected and is now locked on what seems to be incorrect genres.

The 1975's latest album I Like It When You Sleep, for You Are So Beautiful Yet So Unaware of It has not changed significantly from their debut album The 1975. Stylistically, I Like it when you sleep (and the majority of The 1975's discography) is known for its electronic pop production, indie rock/new wave anthems and a handful of ambient tracks.

I am trying to do everything I can to use umbrella terminology and now the page has been protected from editing. The currently listed genres are also listed poorly and not following an h-list or flat list code.

Using picky album reviews that try to pin a genre(s) on this album is a bit immature and often times overwhelming to any user browsing the page (no matter if The 1975 has a diverse style). I strongly urge that the genres be reverted. -Westin Payne — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.156.71.30 (talk) 17:45, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

I apologize, it seems i was not logged in. This was my comment above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Westin.payne (talk • contribs) 17:55, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

In this edit the genres were listed as

In the AP ref, alternative rock isn't mention at all. Only art-pop - which is referring to the band: "Art-pop superstars the 1975..." In The Guardian ref, alternative rock is used to describe the band, not the album: "...the 1975 were a fairly confounding prospect in the first place, a putatively alternative rock band..." In the Consequence of Sound ref, electropop isn't mention at all. In the Musicfeeds ref, indie rock is mentioned as well as several others: "...the album was an attempt to showcase all sides of the band, something that is made evident in the patchwork of pop-punk, indie-rock, electro soul and flecks of jazz." In the Pitchfork ref, ambient is mentioned twice, referring to a few tracks, but not the album as a whole: "three ambient interludes" and "four (!) lengthy ambient tracks". I'm not sure how you can say the genres "followed the source" when it appears that a couple of the genres you suggested aren't in the sources provided.

In this edit, as the article currently stands, the genres are listed as: Indie rock, jazz, pop, pop punk, soul

As I've mentioned above, the Musicfeeds ref states "...the album was an attempt to showcase all sides of the band, something that is made evident in the patchwork of pop-punk, indie-rock, electro soul and flecks of jazz." In The Guardian ref they call the album "a collection of fantastic pop songs". In all honesty, I suggest simply keeping pop and removing the rest as pop is the most sourced genre in the article (in prose).

Pinging other editors for their input: (since he reverted to the last clean version before the protection),  (since they first added source genres to the article) and  (since they edited the genres for 1975's s/t album). Yeepsi (talk) 19:46, 15 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Indie-rock and pop appear to me the ones that are oft cited in relation to the band's music. I would consider that to be a good compromise? Karst (talk) 19:57, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
 * That's fine with me. Yeepsi (talk) 20:20, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

I believe indie rock and pop are perfect compromises. My original statement was simply to use minimal genres that accurate reflect the band and this album. Those two fit perfectly. I would however like to see electropop/synthpop added at some point because that was one of their big features of the album. Synthpop is used in numerous reviews, but currently I think these are good compromises. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Westin.payne (talk • contribs) 02:28, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

I found a rather compelling article that I believe more accurately defines this album's genres. http://www.albumoftheyear.org/album/44873-the-1975-i-like-it-when-you-sleep-for-you-are-so-beautiful-yet-so-unaware-of-it.php This link I found was attached to a list of NME's "Top synthpop albums of 2016" and after reading the page for NME's definition of the album, it is shown that "Synthpop" and "Art pop" are the genres they are using to define the album. Just thought I would run this by to see if something can be done to either add these genres or change the existing once by replacement. Either way, I thought this might help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Westin.payne (talk • contribs) 09:49, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

I might be wrong on this, but I think AOTY.org is a unreliable source. The genre tags (along with record label/format/release date, I presume) on there are seemingly added by users. I clicked on the NME review – which used pop, not synthpop to describe the songs – and it took me to their (NME's) website. Yeepsi (talk) 22:39, 7 July 2016 (UTC) http://mutimes.ie/the-1975-i-like-it-when-you-sleep-for-you-are-so-beautiful-yet-so-unaware-of-it/ I would like to suggest the addition of New Wave to be added to the genre section of this album (following Indie rock, in that order). There are numerous credible sources across the web, that I would kindly site, and I believe it would do the album great justice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Westin.payne (talk • contribs) 22:56, 22 December 2016 (UTC)


 * What sources do you have that list New wave? Yeepsi (talk) 23:07, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm glad some people feel the need to genre=police the hell out of everything, making it bend to their interpretation. Such joyful wikipediaing! Icarus of old (talk) 17:19, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Genre police? I'm confused. We reached a consensus here? That's what this discussion was/is all about. Karst (talk) 19:47, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello! I support the addition of new wave and dance rock (or synthpop) to be added as the secondary and third genres of the album. Many of the singles such as UGH!, The Sound and Somebody Else are cited as "synthpop" tracks, which is stylistically a sub-genre of new wave music. Dance rock is already cited as a style in the Style section of the main article and should be added as well. (Or as an alternative, Synthpop, due to the frequent citiation of the genre included in many of the albums singles. The album itself has explored many genres, but more specifically sub-genres of electronica and ambient music (dream pop included), and I have noticed efforts from contributors in the past trying to add electropop, art pop and ambient but immediately shut down by "genre police". The attempted genre additions have been nothing but accurate in the past. Genre policing should come to a halt, and I believe the addition of these accurate and simplifying genres (New wave, dance-rock OR synthpop) would do just that. I have included a few sites that might help fellow contributors to consider this addition. http://ew.com/article/2016/01/05/the-1975-i-like-it-when-you-sleep/ http://www.wakemag.org/sections/sound-vision/reviews/1975s-like-sleep-beautiful-yet-unaware http://evigshed.com/the-1975-i-like-it-when-you-sleep-for-you-are-so-beautiful-yet-so-unaware-of-it-album-review/ http://mutimes.ie/the-1975-i-like-it-when-you-sleep-for-you-are-so-beautiful-yet-so-unaware-of-it/ http://www2.fender.com/experience/fender-picks/featured-album-1975s-like-sleep-beautiful-yet-unaware/

Requested move 16 March 2016

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The result of the move request was: moved. Number   5  7  19:09, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

I Like It When You Sleep, for You Are So Beautiful Yet So Unaware of It → I Like It When You Sleep, for You Are So Beautiful yet So Unaware of It – "yet" is a coordinating conjunction (not a subordinating conjunction). "Yet" is either a noun, a verb, or an adverb. From Oxford: "but at the same time; but nevertheless". I'm sure the usage of "yet" fits the definition. If so, "yet" should be lowercased... unless someone else argues double entendre. I don't need to look up other definitions unless proven necessary. George Ho (talk) 05:39, 16 March 2016 (UTC) --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 20:41, 24 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Support - Makes sense. Every source I've checked uses either start case or sentence case, but I think that's a reflection of music magazines' house styles, rather than a reflection of the album title. Start case seems far more common, so we could go with that as a second choice. Grayfell (talk) 21:42, 24 March 2016 (UTC)


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