Talk:I Love Lucy/Archive 1

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''The duo along with co-creator Jess Oppenheimer then decided to shoot the show on 35 mm film in front of a live studio audience, with three cameras (this technical innovation is now standard for sitcoms). '' -- Don't they use tape today? RickK 20:37, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * For soap operas at least, but those aren't sitcoms. Anyway, the medium by which the images are fixed is not as important as the technique (of course the fact that the medium is a much higher quality than kinescope prints is also important). -- mav 05:37, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * Remember when it was! In '50s, nobody used film; all the old sitcoms went out live. Lucy's idea (or so I heard it) meant syndication--& we still got 'em... Trekphiler 07:01, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The OP asked "Don't they use tape today?" This depends on the show and when it was produced.  Most American network dramas in 2007 (like CSI) are shot on film with a single camera and edited, similar to a feature film, while some network comedies (like Two and a Half Men) are shot on film with multiple cameras in front of a live audience, just like I Love Lucy was.  As Maveric149 said above, daytime dramas or "soap operas" (such as the Young and the Restless) are shot on video tape, as are reality shows (like Survivor), some comedies, most news magazines (like 60 Minutes) and other entertainment programs like The Insider.  Local and national news is broadcast live, with stories played back from video tape or video servers.  In the 70s and 80s, many network sitcoms (like All In The Family) were shot on video tape. Thomprod (talk) 00:28, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Vegemite?
Why on earth is there a "see Vegemite" link in the bit about Vitameatavegamin? What do they have to do with each other, except for an incidental similarity in pronunciation? Joyous 05:31, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)
 * Vegemite is equally disgusting, but whatever. Steveo2 — Preceding undated comment added by Steveo2 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Very little in common, the joke is an old one, about alcohol, disguised as a tonic, very common in Vaudeville days. 17:39, May 10, 2005 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaoverland (talk • contribs) 17:39, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

IMDB entries
There are more possibilities at IMDb but I thought 3 was enough for now. If there's another from that list which is particularly significant, feel free to add it. HTH HAND --Phil | Talk 14:54, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Merged information from Lucille Ball
No idea why it was there, but it was. Moved it over here. --Woohookitty 15:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Notes on a theme
I understand Eliot Daniel wrote it, which I didn't see credited, nor what it was called. Trekphiler 07:01, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Misquotation
What is the source for the famous "Lucy! You got some 'splainin' to do." quote being fake?-Remy Green — Preceding undated comment added by Remygreen (talk • contribs) 23:39, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * A better question would be, what is the source for it being true? Can anyone name an episode where the line is used, and quote it in context? — Walloon 20:52, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * We're not making the statement that the quote is true in the article, we're saying it's false. We need proof for what we say, not for what we don't say. I think it should be taken down.- Remy Green, July 4th 2006
 * We're entering a house of mirrors here. What is "the quote" that you say is false? Ricky saying "Lucy! You got some 'splainin' to do," or the article's claim that he never said it? — Walloon 01:59, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't say a quote is false. I said that if we're going to make a claim either way, we need proof (especially if we're going against the prevailing opinion). The statement that it's a misquotation should taken down.Jeremy Green 19:17, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I do remember the quote "Lucy, you have some 'splaining to do" being mentioned in an episode, can't remember the episode though. Although I can see why people would think it isn't true be cause it is more commonly said differently, such as "come on baby let me 'splain!" or "if you don't start 'splainin right now…" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.199.21 (talk) 00:33, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

The Ricardos' address
I wonder who really lives at apartment 3D on 623 East 68th Street. CrossEyed7 16:22, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * (Grins) I don't believe that address actually exists... at the time of the show anyway, it was a non-existent part of the street.--Dirgni1986 17:24, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * 623 E. 68th Street would be in the East River, then and now. The highest addresses on E. 68th St. are in the 500s. — Walloon 20:42, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That is what I've always been told as well.--Dirgni1986 20:45, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You're wrong. Aquaman lives there. ;) Trekphiler 11:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Cousin Ernie
I would put "the" outside the quotation marks of The "Cousin Ernie" story arc. — Walloon 20:34, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

The F-Bomb
The f word is a pretty offensive word to a lot of people. I know this is a pretty touchy subject on Wikipedia. Its not very classy, degrades the quality of the encyclopedia. I think it should be removed or at least replaced with f***. Epachamo 04:11, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I completely agree, there are many child users on Wikipedia and also just people the find the word offensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.199.21 (talk) 00:38, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

List of notable episodes
Hope no one minds, but I added "LA At Last" to the list of notable episodes, as that one contained the scene where Lucy sets her nose on fire. I know that there are a lot of memorable episodes, but since the Season 4 DVD Box features her disguise on the cover, I thought it warranted a mention. And I admit, it's one of my personal favorites as well. MccullarsJ 18:15, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Running time?
Does anyone know if the running time of I Love Lucy was really originally 30 minutes? I had thought it was 26. 128.138.122.225 01:30, 30 July 2006 (UTC)AP
 * The figure of 30 minutes is including commercials. The actual length of the show's content is difficult to gauge with a lot of older shows because there were less commercials (they were "simpler times" when we didn't have entire channels devoted to fashion and golf and reality television didn't even exist!) so most showings are edited for time, but 26min sounds about right for the original footage. Moulder 02:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I have the dvd boxed set and it doesn't show commercials (duh) and the running time for each episode I've watched is 26min & about 30 sec. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.199.21 (talk) 13:27, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Desi Arnaz's Emmy nod
Or lack thereof. What a goddam shame. I was utterly shocked as a life-long fan of the show to discover that today. He never got one! Emmys therefore measure nothing, but you already knew that. -Bordello 04:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

DVD opening credits
Do the DVDs feature the original opening credits or do they have the syndication credits? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.162.0.41 (talk) 19:40, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No, the DVDs show the "Heart on Satin" credits, and the originals were the cartoons. However, in the "bonus" section, the do show the original openings, just not attached to the episodes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.199.21 (talk) 00:28, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, but the cartoons ARE on the DVDs, but not the credits. The cartoons come in what what would have been a commercial break. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.162.158.127 (talk) 18:28, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

"Lost" Christmas show
Can somebody explain what is that about a "lost" Christmas Show? It is not clear in the main article. Fredyrod sept 16, 2006. — 201.227.50.22 00:55, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * In one or two episodes there was a Christmas tag scene, but after it became only reruns I'm pretty sure it was never seen again except on the DVD boxed sets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.199.21 (talk) 00:36, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

List of I Love Lucy actors
I would like to have a more comprehensible list started of actors who appeared on the show. It looks like a "partial" list was started here. Lucy & Desi had a lot of friends in Hollywood who appeared on the show quite a bit over the years. Some were famous, but more importantly (at least to me) is the fact that "character actors" and "bit players" are on so often, I feel like I know them from my living room. I would like to see them get more recognition. Writers were also very important to Lucy & Desi. If one reads or has heard anyone ever ask them about the success of the shows, they always responded by giving credit to the writers: Bob & Madelyn, Jess, and the 2 Bobs. What do you think? --Davidw0998 12:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I know a woman whose kid was in a lot of early sitcoms, and she told me that once when there were a lot of kids on the set of I Love Lucy, Lucy showed a strong aversion to them, referring to them with bad names. Anyone else know what Lucy thought about kids? 69.108.67.193 23:15, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This is a very old post, but Lucille Ball never (as far as I know) displayed dislike or animosity towards small children. In fact, the gentleman who played Little Ricky on the show said that Lucy quite liked having him on set, and the same is true with Gregg Oppenheimer, the head writer's son, who visited the set in 1955 at the age of four; Lucy thought he was adorable as I remember it. Lastly, I don't believe that the producers would allow random children on the set for what was apparently no reason. The brave celery (talk) 00:12, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Flubs
I have seen many of the "I Love Lucy" episodes on DVD and on the DVDs there is a list of flubs, or bloopers. I think that putting a list of the flubs in the article would be a wonderful edition to the article, especially because the show was recorded live without retakes. If anyone disagrees or wants to help put up a list, please let me know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.162.158.127 (talk) 18:35, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

My Favorite Husband
As a lot of the episodes are loosely based on My Favorite Husband, should there at least be a nod to the radio show for spawning I Love Lucy?Eragon fan 20:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

See also section
Has there been a "see also" section for this article? I had to really search for List of I Love Lucy episodes and there might be more articles related to this one that would qualify for the See Also section. --64.5.88.54 22:28, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Mak1457's got some 'splainin' to do. This infrequent editor made wholesale deletions, including the Episodes section which I've restored. It had the link you were looking for. (Actually, I agree with most of the deletions.) Clarityfiend 22:58, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

First sitcom to feature an interracial couple
I was surprised that this was metioned nowhere with in the article. Would anyone like to back this up? 69.250.130.215 00:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I can remember hearing from my parents that there had been quite a bit of fuss about that fact back in the 50s. There were a number of jurisdictions where the two of them would not have been allowed to marry. David Cheater 18:24, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Would totally belong in the article, especially if it can be sourced. Probably under a controversy section, but not criticisms. It would be hateful to consider it a criticism of the show Engloword (talk) 06:15, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * First Anglo-Latino couple, at least, per Lovece, Frank, Newsday, "From Cuba with love on 'Lucy'", November 11, 2007 --Tenebrae (talk) 06:53, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you give me a cite for a law that considered Latinos to be of a different race? — Walloon (talk) 01:52, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The U.S. Census, in 1970. Not a law, but a federal designation. --Tenebrae (talk) 02:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

First off, they were not Inter-racial, they were inter-cultural. Desi Arnaz is a White Cuban of Spanish decent. Back in the 50s and 60s Hispanics were seen as Ethnic whites like Jews and Italians. Today, because of the introduction of the labels; latino/hispanic do we think of Desi as a seperate race, when in fact Latino and Hispanic are not racial labels, they are cultural ethnic labels. That is why there is no mention of them being an inter-racial couple. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.254.207.18 (talk) 21:37, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I actually looked up this article to see if someone would be stupid enough to drop the "interracial" bomb. Please explain to me how two people of entirely European descent could ever possibly, by any stretch of the imagination, be considered interracial? Wormwoodpoppies (talk) 18:23, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * so then (racially) lucy is european-american (via her family's trip across the atlantic), and desi is european-american (via his family's extended stay in cuba)(?). but "hispanic" would technically be the spanish speaking descendants of the indigenous central/south/island americans.  right?  (hey, i'm doing better than people who think spaniards are mexican)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.202.219.61 (talk) 20:05, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * "Hispanic" refers to anyone born in the Western Hemisphere whose first language is Spanish. Contrary to popular belief it has nothing to do with race, with Red Sox player David Ortiz and the late first lady of Argentina Eva Peron both being equally Hispanic.  It seems the sort of Hispanic most Anglo-Americans are familiar with are poor Mexican and Central American mestizos who emigrate north, and so those who don't know better assume that one's status as Hispanic is determined by ancestry/phenotype rather than language and culture.  So Desi Arnaz, being a Cuban of unmixed European ancestry, is both white and Hispanic, and therefore while he and Lucille Ball were of different nationalities and ethnicities, they were of the same "race". Wormwoodpoppies (talk) 18:33, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Casting
The article stated that both Bea Benaderet and Barbara Pepper were originally to play Ethel. Unless she was twins, that's a contradiction. Benaderet's article says the same, while Pepper's doesn't, so I worded it that way. Anybody know for sure? Clarityfiend (talk) 21:52, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Looking for help writing an article about the spin-offs and crossovers of this series
I am writing an article about all of the series which are in the same shared reality as this one through spin-offs and crossovers. I could use a little help expanding the article since it is currently extremely dense and a bit jumbled with some sentence structures being extremely repetitive. I would like to be able to put this article into article space soon. Any and all help in writing the article would be appreciated, even a comment or two on the talk page would help. Please give it a read through, also please do not comment here since I do not have all of the series on my watch list. - LA @ 16:55, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Cultural reference section deleted
I deleted the Cultural References section because trivia is discouraged on Wikipedia. Beside the point, I know I Love Lucy has influenced more than a song by Weird Al and a minor gag in a cartoon. There could be a Cultural Impact section for this article because it had impact but cultural references are just a waste of time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hygmod (talk • contribs) 18:23, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Enceinte
"The episode "Lucy Is Enceinte" first aired on December 8, 1952 ("enceinte" being French for "expecting" or "pregnant")."

Are you sure it's not Spanish? That would seem to make more sense. 72.92.188.251 (talk) 17:28, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Lucy says a line while on the phone....
In a few episodes Lucys says "Love to Norma" while on the phone...This quote seems to be worked in a few shows for some reason.....Does anyone know why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.242.105.218 (talk) 00:37, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

The Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour
Should we consider this to be a sequel, or a continuation of the original? It is important for episode count, number of seasons, etc. --mkorman (talk) 22:22, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The intro says six seasons, while the infobox states nine, including The Lucille Ball-Desi Arnaz Show / The Lucy–Desi Comedy Hour. I vote for six, since the later series has its own article. IMDb distinguishes them as two separate series. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:21, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

71.183.5.174 (talk) 08:34, 27 June 2017 (UTC)==An over-long episode?== I read somewhere that one episode of "I Love Lucy" ran five minutes overtime. It seems Desi Arnaz liked the script so much that he refused to edit it for length. Is that a true story or is it just another TV legend? If it is true, does anyone know what episode it was?97.73.64.164 (talk) 00:40, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I read a similar story, years ago, having to do with the first episode of "The Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour." Apparently, the script ran too long for the allotted hour (with commercials), and Arnaz didn't want to cut it. The solution was to buy fifteen minutes of sponsored time from "The United States Steel Hour," so that "The Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour" that night ran for seventy-five minutes. (My source for this, BTW, is a book I no longer own, entitled "Lucy and Ricky and Fred and Ethel: The Story of 'I Love Lucy.'" That book also answers some of the other questions discussed in this "Talk" page. If I still had the book, I'd make edits with references myself. 71.183.5.174 (talk) 08:34, 27 June 2017 (UTC)Steve in New York

No smoking in syndication
Unless this is just an urban legend, should we mention that Lucy's daughter wanted to take out all scenes that show anyone smoking? ESachs (talk) 08:05, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Carolina in the Morning
I hesitate to edit this article since probably hundreds of people are watching every comma, but it would be nice to mention that William Frawley was the person who originally introduced the song "Carolina in the Morning" - and that he reprises this in ILL. This is mentioned in the article on the song, but not in the ILL article. Since there's always interest in "creators'" recordings, I would think this would be a point worth mentioning. -- kosboot (talk) 13:28, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Locations
I didn't see any mention of the move to Hollywood. This was a pretty big change in the series. Why does Ricky and Lucy's meeting take up so much space when the ongoing show doesn't get any?Bofum (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:23, 26 May 2011 (UTC).
 * The move to Hollywood is mentioned in the introductory paragraph of the Episodes section. -- JTSchreiber (talk) 04:44, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Who performed the theme music
Is it known which band/company actually performed the theme song? The section on the music for I Love Lucy is pretty sparse 125.253.96.174 (talk) 07:00, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

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Replace "title card" with heart logo?
Now that we have a free substitute, should we choose the free heart over the non-free file? --George Ho (talk) 18:13, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it might be easier to discuss if you link the files in question:
 * File:ILoveLucyTitleScreen.jpg
 * File:I Love Lucy title.svg
 * File:I Love Lucy title screen.svg
 * Having said that - I don't know. I think I'd come down on the side of the non-free titlecard, as it is now, but I don't feel strongly. Begoon &thinsp; talk  19:48, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The SVG is a poor substitute for the real thing. Keep the screen grab. – JBarta (talk) 09:27, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm... at least the SVG is good enough for non-English pages, right? George Ho (talk) 22:12, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

What audiences appealed to I Love Lucy?
Wouldn't it be a good idea to get some information on what kind of audience watched this show? I think it'd help people (like me) get a better image of the show. (if you know or have an idea but no source it'd appreciate if you posted it on this talk page anyway). --Pvt. Coffeeshop (talk) 13:36, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Peabody Award
In my opinion, I Love Lucy never won Peabody Award... i looked into list of winners and this show is nowhere to find... also official website neither another source doesn't mention that I Love Lucy won the award. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.103.252.59 (talk) 11:38, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not an opinion it's a factual point that ILL never won a peabody award though the peabody people did include in a blog post that in hindsight the show probably qualified for one stating "oversights happen" http://www.peabodyawards.com/stories/story/peabody-moments-what-makes-the-ceremony-special &#9760; Travis McCrea (T)(C) 16:37, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

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Ownership
To me the article is unclear as to who is the current owner of the series. Desilu was sold to Gulf+Western which is now owned by Paramount—does that mean ILL is owned by Paramount? Clarification on the ownership history would be appreciated. - kosboot (talk) 23:48, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

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Possible vandalism
On 2 March 2018 user 107.223.198.0 (talk) submitted a revision to this article. The article slightly changed a couple things. One of them – the number of seasons – was quickly corrected by another user, but the other – adding "Spanish" as an original language – remains to this day. I think this is in need of a fact check, as the user has made other vandalizing edits. 85.23.118.84 (talk) 17:31, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Many sections lacking citations
I would like to get this article at least up to GA-class as it holds an extreme cultural significance and is also rated as a vital article. With that being said, some claims especially in the production section have been used in a Wikibook and on a MeTV article but I can't find any reputable sources that directly state these claims. The only sources besides tabloid magazines that I have found for a few of these is a book published by iUniverse called Lucy A to Z: The Lucille Ball Encylopedia by Michael Karol. iUniverse is a book publishing company that allows self-publishing and the bibliography is not accessible on Google Books for me to track down the source of these claims. The following statements on the page are of most concern to me, should I take them out or leave them in?

There may be more, but I am still searching for more evidence. Otherwise, I think it is past time for a reworking of all unsourced material to be taken out.
 * The percentages of ownership: "In exchange, Lucy and Desi demanded, and were given, 80% ownership in the I Love Lucy films (the other 20% went to producer Jess Oppenheimer who then gave 5% to writer Madelyn Pugh and 5% to writer Bob Carroll Jr.)."
 * Why Desilu Studios was created: "Shooting the show on film, however, would require that Lucy and Desi become responsible for producing the series themselves. Union agreements at the time stipulated that any production filmed in a studio use film studio employees. CBS staff were television and radio employees and thus fell under different union agreements. Thus, Arnaz reorganized the company he created to manage his orchestra bookings and used it as the corporation that would produce the I Love Lucy shows. The company was named Desilu, from the combination of both their first names "Desi" and "Lucille"."
 * This whole paragraph is unsourced: "Another component to filming the show came when it was decided to use three 35 mm film cameras to simultaneously film the show. The idea had been pioneered by Ralph Edwards on the game show Truth or Consequences, and had subsequently been used on Amos 'n' Andy as a way to save money, though Amos n' Andy did not use an audience. Edwards's assistant Al Simon was hired by Desilu to help perfect the new technique for the series. The process lent itself to the Lucy production as it eliminated the problem of requiring an audience to view and react to a scene three or four times in order for all necessary shots to be filmed. Multiple cameras would also allow scenes to be performed in sequence, as a play would be, which was unusual at the time for filmed series. Retakes were rare and dialogue mistakes were often played off for the sake of continuity."
 * Mentions of how the laugh track was re-used by CBS in later shows. "Audience reactions were live, thus creating a far more authentic laugh than the canned laughter used on most filmed sitcoms of the time. Regular audience members were sometimes heard from episode to episode, and Arnaz's distinctive laugh could be heard in the background during scenes in which he did not perform, as well as Ball's mother, DeDe, whose distinctive "Uh Oh" could be heard in many of the episodes. In later years, CBS would devise a laugh track from several I Love Lucy audiences and use them for canned laughter on shows done without a live audience"
 * A reliable source that verifies the following: "The program sponsor, Philip Morris cigarettes was incorporated into many of these sequences, so when I Love Lucy went into repeats, they were replaced by the now familiar heart logo. However Gene Hazelton's original animation survives, and can be seen in the DVD boxed set as originally presented."
 * The entire paragraph on the studio's history is mostly relevant to the article, but it remains unsourced and I could not find any sources that said as much info as the Wikipedia page does.
 * "CBS relented only after Arnaz contractually bound Frawley to complete sobriety during the production of the show, and reportedly told the veteran actor that if he ever appeared on-set more than once in an intoxicated state he would be fired. Not once during Lucy's nine seasons did Frawley's drinking ever interfere with his performance, and over time Arnaz became one of Frawley's few close friends." The whole paragraph directly around this seems like too important of a claim to throw around without any sourcing.

Windyshadow32 (talk) 01:22, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

final episode
Article says “I Love Lucy is an American television sitcom that originally aired on CBS from October 15, 1951, to May 6, 1957, with a total of 180 half-hour episodes[a] spanning six seasons. “

Yes, the final original episode aired on May 6. But the final episode of the 6th and final season aired on June 24, the last of 7 reruns. Source is the Boston Globe which called it “the final episode of the season.” 74.104.189.176 (talk) 15:32, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Frawley and "Complete Sobriety"
I don't believe that Desi Arnaz bound Willam Frawley to "complete sobriety" in order for the latter to appear on "I Love Lucy". "Complete sobriety" denotes a total abstention from drinking, and I don't think that Arnaz demanded that of Frawley. What Arnaz bound Frawley to was an agreement that Frawley's drinking would never be allowed to affect his performance on the show, meaning not just appearing on the set intoxicated, as the article states, but also failing to appear due to suffering the aftereffects of drinking alcohol. But as long as he didn't appear on set intoxicated and didn't fail to appear due suffering a hangover, Frawley was free to drink. 2600:6C5D:5A00:3694:588E:CFC:CBCC:2EA0 (talk) 18:26, 30 August 2022 (UTC)