Talk:Ian Dury/Archive 1

Rewrite
I was surprised to see such a paucity of information in this article. I have paraphrased some biographical detail from the official Ian Dury website www.iandury.co.uk. --195.172.170.130 14:10, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Blockheads' "solo" album
How can the Blockheads have released a solo album, when a solo album is an album released by an individual sans his band? Binabik80 03:27, 26 April 2006 (UTC)


 * It is a curious idea - but the Blockheads released an album sans their individual - namely Ian Dury...(Amended but unsigned at 10:59, 12 December 2006 by User:BNutzer)


 * Agreed - it's an album without Dury, not a solo album - article now changed. DavidFarmbrough 15:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Captain Beefheart's Magic Band also had an apparently successful reunion without Beefheart (who was still alive at the time, but uninterested in music). -Ashley Pomeroy 20:37, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Winkle
It's a trivial thing, but the article quotes a line from the song "This is What We Find", which goes "so he sanded off his winkle with his Black & Decker drill". The first time I heard the song I thought he sang "winkie", which is also British slang for cock; and listening to the song now, he seems to sing "winkwie". I know that the lyrics as quoted in the article are splashed all over the internet, but that's just mass copy-and-paste. Does someone have an official Ian Dury songbook sitting in front of them, to confirm the lyric? -Ashley Pomeroy 20:37, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

POV
Bob Dylan was a cult songwriter in 1987? The Bob Dylan article never mentions this.

151.200.214.162 18:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)K. Bloomer

SCATOLOGICAL
Ian's humour is described in the article as "scatological". That means it is concerned with feces. Might I suggest "vivid and earthy" as a more suitable description? Emmenjay 13:58, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Pictures and Winkles
Winkle is the correct word, there is to my knowledge no official Ian Dury lyric site BUT the lyrics are printed in the back of Ian Dury & The Blockheads: Song By Song which is an official autobiography. I obvioulsy can't prove this outright cos I'm not scanning the book and breaking it but you can purchase it and see for yourself if you're so inclined.

The lack of picture here - I can rectify this easily as one of my copies of Sex & Drugs & Rock & Roll: The Life of Ian Dury (yes I have more than one...I know) is broken and all the laminated pages with the photos have fallen out, if somone will please tell me what copyright thingee to put (if they are usable) I will gladly scan a bunch and upload 'em, there's a particularly good one of Dury late in life with his kids (the youngest kids).

Also the Kilburns era section really needs to be expanded, I am happy to do this some time in the near future, just wondered if it would be better to have a seperate page for them, after all there's seperate pages for Mick Jones, The Clash and Big Audio Dynamite right?

Full name
So was his middle name Robin (text) or Robbins (box)? The latter (his parents naming him after Harold R.) seems too good to be true. Rothorpe 18:17, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Place of Birth
As stated in the main article, Ian was born in Harrow Weald, Harrow, not Upminster. Why does the details box put Harrow, Middlesex in small type, but still list Upminster as "Origin" whereas, he never actually lived there?

The links at the bottom of the page include "People from Upminster" and that page links back to Ian Dury, wheras the Harrow Weald page does not mention Ian.

Arjayay 15:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

The "Song by Song" biog suggests that Ian generally quoted Upminster as his birthplace for a more "working class" credibility. Harrow would presumably have had the opposite effect! So I think it's fair to have it listed as his "origin" if that's what he wanted.... 78.144.151.235 (talk) 20:08, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:49, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

BBC Ban
Wasn't "Sex & Drugs ..." banned by the BBC in the 80s because at the time it was felt inapropriate that a singer with a disability sing about sex? -- Tarquin


 * No - "Fucking Ada" and "Spasticus Autisticus" were both banned, tho'  -- User:GWO

I doubt the BBC would have even known that Dury was disabled, it wasn't really noticable from his stage performances. But in any case, "Sex and Drugs and Rock & Roll" didn't even make the UK charts, and at that time Dury was not widely known, so the BBC wouldn't have taken any notice of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.75.166 (talk) 08:56, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

sex & drugs & rock & roll
the rock and roll anthem "Sex and Drugs and Rock and Roll" — a phrase which has subsequently entered the language.

The phrase was already well established when the song came out.

Elaboration: I have never seen the song credited as introducing the phrase to the language. I do remember when it came out one of the punk fanzines gave it a sneering review on the lines that "anyone could write a song with this title and it would be a hit". I was in my teens at the time, and the phrase was commonplace in the UK -- that is why the song has the title. 217.41.60.242 08:27, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

I can say with some assurance but no citable sources that the s&d&r&r phrase came from BP Fallon, who was Ian's publicist at the time. And, to contradict the writer above, it was the song that introduced the phrase into popular use. BP, of course, was Led Zep's best man thoughout the early 70s - I wouldn't be surprised if its original inspiration lay in that area. Wwwhatsup (talk) 02:15, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Mick or Mickey?
I have started a discussion at Talk:Mick Gallagher on the proper naming of this article. Any contributions would be welcome. --John (talk) 15:25, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Reformation
Noticed there was no citation for the 1998 date when the Blockheads reformed. Could have sworn I saw them all (with Ian) perform at the first Madstock gig in 1992. Can anyone else corroborate this? Beantrees (talk) 13:03, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Songwriter?!!
He wasn't though. Uncle Ian didn't compose a single song, other Blockheads and composers did. A songwriter is a person who does both the lyrics and music, he did one not the other, but he did the other like no other. He is my hero and I should know!! And anyway, he's more of a Poet where the music was like musical accompaniment. Spoken Word!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheled Umlal (talk • contribs) 20:39, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Reference to his son vandalism?
"Dury's son, Baxter Dury, is also a gay singer." ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.49.171.169 (talk) 10:51, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Kilburn & the High Roads
How is this a pun on Kilburn High Road, as the article claims? Isn't that equivalent to saying that the band Boston is a pun on the city Boston, or am I missing something? Ericoides (talk) 20:12, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Kilburn & the High Roads
In fact this name is not a pun but was taken from road signs which were found in North West London in the 60s and 70s. There was one in Swiss Cottage I remember, effectively saying: drive this way for Kilburn and the High Roads (The roads out of London). I believe they've all gone now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.92.40.49 (talk) 14:05, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Jewish?
Was he raised Jewish? --MacRusgail (talk) 16:15, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Gene Vincent
"Dury was inspired to form Kilburn & the High Roads (a pun on the road in North West London) in November 1970 following the death of his hero Gene Vincent."

But Gene Vincent didn't die until October 1971. Should this read "November 1971"? FloydPink99 (talk) 00:07, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I think so. See e.g. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:14, 14 January 2010 (UTC)