Talk:Ian Fleming

James Fleming
I find it rather strange there is no mention of his nephew James in the article. I added him twice to the infobox only for it to be removed when the infobox guideline clearly states Names of siblings or other relatives; include only if independently notable and particularly relevant. Include the relationship in parentheses after the name (sister, uncle, etc.). For multiple entries, use an inline list.

Ian started The Book Collector and upon his death James took over running it. James also supports the causes and helps carry on Ian's legacy, for all his work done towards the notability of Ian, people are just disregarding him? I find it incredible odd. It's not a hard ask, just to add his name to an info box of relatives per guideline. Govvy (talk) 21:13, 21 May 2023 (UTC)


 * If you'd like to include content in the article body relating to James, please propose something and accompany it with reliable secondary sourcing. As to the infobox, this RfC concluded that "the infobox should be well curated and only include details highly relevant to understanding the biography of the subject" - there is no indication at the moment that James meets that brief. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:21, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It's his nephew, how is not that connection? You have an article like Rothschild Family yet not for Fleming Family, which I feel is odd, considering how interesting the family history is, not to mention Mayer Amschel Rothschild, we have a list of his children in the infobox, yet you don't name his children here. Then you have an element for listing relatives with connection, yet you don't do it. Sorry Nikkimaria, but that is just hypocritical. I did do an edit, yet you failed to see it for what it is, nice job in removing a basic fact. Govvy (talk) 22:15, 21 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Nice job in leaning into personal attacks instead of focusing on content. But the fact remains that "this is technically possible to do" is not a sufficient justification that it should be done.
 * If you think there ought to be an article on the Fleming family, I certainly won't stand in the way of you creating it. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:24, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with Nikki. It's not suitable for the IB. ~ HAL  333  03:39, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The Fleming Collection which was central to Printing and the Mind of Man isn't mentioned in the article and I have tried to add information to no avail. Also failed on adding IF's establishment of The Book Collector. This article, Fleming, James. (2023). "Printing and the Mind of Man."  The Book Collector  72 no.4 (winter): 619-623 would be of interest, I I think. Kmccook (talk) 18:42, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


 * The Book Collector was an existing Kemsley periodical, The Book Handbook, which Lord Kemsley allowed Ian to take over (and eventually buy out) and rename. Similarly, Kemsley allowed Ian to take over the Dropmore Press book-publisher and rename it the Queen Anne Press. This was in 1951. (Nicholas Shakespeare, Ian Fleming: The Complete Man, Harvill Secker, London, 2023, ISBN 978-1-787-30241-9, p.411.) Khamba Tendal (talk) 18:43, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Two sons.?
I thought Fleming only had one son Casper, the info box says two children, who was the other? 2.27.34.120 (talk) 20:14, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The other child was his daughter Mary, by Ann Rothermere as she then was. Mary was born prematurely by caesarean section in Edinburgh on 27 August 1948 and died the same day of lung complications. Seemingly Lord Rothermere, Ann's husband at the time, believed the child was his, but she was conceived on Ann's visit to Ian at Goldeneye that January. Ann's daughter Fionn, by Lord O'Neill, said it would be strange if Rothermere didn't know, but Mary 'definitely wasn't his.' Rothermere was hoping for a son, who would then inherit the Daily Mail, and had no idea that the child was actually Ian Fleming's. (Shakespeare 2023, pp.432-4)Khamba Tendal (talk) 19:05, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2023
Request that Robert Fleming (financier) be added as Ian Fleming's grandfather under "relatives" DingleTingles (talk) 00:38, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:48, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Ian Fleming is listed as Robert Fleming's grandson on Robert Fleming's page. isn't that enough?PhilomenaO&#39;M (talk) 20:05, 28 January 2024 (UTC)


 * No. Wikipedia articles are not reliable sources. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:04, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Origin of Flemming estate name Goldeneye.
The 1941 Carson McCullers novel Goldeneye is set on a US Army base in the state of Georgia. There is no reference to the use of British naval bases in the Caribbean by the US navy (ref 67). I did check the book. 2001:999:50C:847E:5F6F:B612:CED1:1C4F (talk) 09:04, 6 April 2024 (UTC)