Talk:Ian Fraser (politician)

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I'm somewhat annoyed because some arse pirate deleted my attempt at a hookful stub to try at a start on an informative article. Why? Just because you have a different POV regarding stubs, or regarding politics, or what?

207.99.6.125 03:56, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * I'm deleting it because it's patent nonsense about some guy in New Zealand being killed by the CIA, when I can't find any evidence of been having killed. Ambi 04:10, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

It's not patent nonsense. Look Ian Fraser up. Why do you hate freedom? 207.99.6.125 04:15, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, the article says he WASN'T killed by the CIA. User:Rarr


 * I've redirected it to his party, as all the actual information that was in this article is already there. I've also protected it, so more nonsense stubs, please.


 * P.S. Why would an article on an alive person mention that they weren't killed by the CIA? Ambi 04:24, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps to satisfy the conspiracy nuts? User:Rarr

This is ridiculous. Do I go around and change Albert Einstein into a redirect to Relativity? Why can't you give the existence of a stub a chance? Do you think there's no relevance for Ian Fraser beyond a link to another article? This is baloney! And also arse piracy! Why do you hate stubs, and freedom, and doughnuts? How POV! It's not a nonsense stub. You just hate stubs! 207.99.6.125 04:26, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Well, if you actually wrote an article, rather than nonsense vandalism, we wouldn't be here.


 * P.S. Doughnuts are yummy. Ambi 04:29, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure that even if it was nonsense, it wasn't vandalism. It's not like he was ruining some innocent stub. User:Rarr

Well, I'm glad we agree on the doughnut issue, since that would have been controversial! But isn't that the point of a stub? Although currently more information on him might be hard to find, surely someone, seeing a stub, seeing, for example, "The CIA might have been involved in his assassination" would be motivated to write more! Just like it says in the Wikerpiecedia stub guide! After all, in the future, surely they might be two different articles! Actually what motivated me was the Ian Fraser disambig page. Three different Ian Frasers and not one of them was worth writing about to anyone! How appalling! So I took it upon myself to stub! Ah, stubs! The great seeds and flax, the yin and the yang and the warp and the woof of Wikipaedia! A caso no? 207.99.6.125 04:34, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Someone interested in New Zealand's smaller political parties might want to follow up this information, even though it's almost certain to be mind-achingly dull. I have been trying to find out if Ian Fraser the broadcaster is the same person as Ian Fraser the founder of Libertarianz. My reason for wondering this is that Libertarianz leader Lindsay Perigo is also a broadcaster, and this would naturally link the two men. —Copey


 * Nevertheless, adding false information is inappropriate. Ambi 04:37, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Mergeto tag
I've placed a mergeto tag, as this article has been sitting here as a unreferenced WP:BLP since late 2008 with Ian Fraser's notability questioned. Given the push to address unreferenced BLPs, a merge appears to be a good way forward.  Schwede 66  08:39, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Reversion of creating a redirect
The following tags have been on this article since October 2008: and

A  was added in February 2010.

On 13 May 2010, Adabow changed the stub to a redirect, with the following edit summary: "Unsourced, uninformative stub. Notability is also questioned."

On 14 May 2010, PatGallacher reverts the last action, with the following edit summary: "rv - I am not sure reducing to a redirect is the best way of dealing with problematic articles, soimetimes they should either be deleted or retained"

Ok, two options are presented: retain or delete. As for retaining, the article has been tagged since October 2008 and nobody has done anything about the concerns that the tags raise. That would leave us with the option of deleting. Ok, let's delete the article. Once that is done, what happens if somebody types "Ian Fraser (politician)" into WP? Not an unlikely thing to do. And given that he is mentioned on Libertarianz, why wouldn't we refer the reader to that article? What we should do is to set up a redirect! Let's see what WP:REDIR tells us about the purpose of a redirect. Here's the relevant one: "Sub-topics or other topics which are described or listed within a wider article. (Such redirects are often targeted to a particular section of the article.)"

From the above, I conclude that we should: That's what I shall do. But I leave out the step of deletion and go straight to step 2, as the outcome is the same, and it's a lot easier to do.  Schwede 66  00:55, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) delete the page, and then
 * 2) set up a redirect for Ian Fraser that points to the section of the Libertarianz article where he is mentioned.