Talk:Ibiza/Archive 1

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RobertMillan, why the move to Eivissa? It's called Ibiza in English -- Tarquin 11:32 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)

I agree. This should probably be moved back. -- Zoe

I'm equivocal. The names Majorca and Minorca are unequivocally English, because they're not identical with Spanish/Catalan forms. However, for Ibiza we just use the Spanish form. The decision to make Eivissa the primary form within Spain could mean that now we in English should shift to that - since we haven't got a truly English form to take priority. (I've added a temporary line to the article saying it's usually known as Ibiza in English -- until we resolve this.) --Gritchka

It's not up to Wikipedia to dictate what happens to names. Most english speakers know it as Ibiza. We should move it back to there until the world at large changes -- though we should mention that this change is taking place in the article -- Tarquin 20:53 26 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Hi! I'm from Madrid (Spain), and I must add that everybody here says "Ibiza" instead "Eivissa"... by the way, it's the first time i heard of that name (maybe in Cataluña they call it that way, but not the most people in Spain). Thanks. Already changed, but I leaved the comment to not forget.

Ibiza is the name of the island, Eivissa the name of the major city in Ibiza.

Hello :-) I'm catalan, and I should say; Eivissa is the unique oficial name for the Island and for the city, as seen on the city council web; www.eivissa.org . But many spanish and not catalan people says Ibiza (like catalan and spanish people say Londres and not London). This doesn't convert Ibiza or Londres in the oficial name of those places ;-) --80.102.224.170 08:21, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

So true. The name of the place is Eivissa, the only one. Or shall we change the London article and call the city Londino, just cos greeks call it like that. Btw, this thing of ibiza name of the island and Eivissa name of the city is nonsense at all. Just Eivissa please.

It's Eivissa officially, but also officially it's Catalan- (or more specifically, Ibithenco-) speaking. In English, we have adopted the official Spanish name (I am quite sure nearly every single city in bilingual regions of Spain have two official names… A Coruña / La Coruña, Gernika / Guernica, etc). In English (according to the OED) Ibiza is the only acceptable name. The Lisbon article is not called Lisboa (the official Portuguese name), because in English the term is Lisbon. Unless someone can demonstrate (eg. be descriptive) that English speakers use the term Eivissa more than Ibiza, then we should not, according to wikipedia guidelines, impose Eivissa (eg. be prescriptive)

Pronunciation
When people use the name "Ibiza," do they mostly/always pronounce it as "Ibitha," or is that just a weird thing that BBC DJs do? (I'm a lazy American, and I like my 'z's ;-)   &mdash;User:Mulad (talk) 02:30, Jan 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Ibiza is a Spanish word so it's pronunciation can be extracted direcly from the word using the Spanish pronunciation rules. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.58.1.42 (talk) 2005-06-25


 * I think the comment relates to pronunciation by English speakers, not Castilian or Catalan speakers. As a Euro-anglophone, I have only ever noticed a pronunciation for "Ibiza" on a U.S. TV programme.  While Ibiza is undoubtedly visited by far more Britons than Americans,  may not simply be ignorant mispronunciation by Americans; it may relate to difference between Castilian Spanish and New World Spanish.  (See Spanish dialects and varieties.)    In Ireland at least, some people say  ("eye-BEE-thuh"), with an inaccurate vowel but a fairly accurate consonant. jnestorius(talk) 00:50, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Name Etymology?
According to Maria Eugenia Aubet's "The Phoenicians and the West", the historian Diodorus stated that the island had a city (refering to Ibiza town) named Ebesos, whose name comes from the Phoenician "Ibshim" ("island of pines").

Therefore the name of the island "Ibiza" could come from this Phoenician word, something supported by the transaltion of the name given it by the Greeks (I put that into the article).

By contrast, Richard J. Harrison in "Spain at the Dawn of History" states that maybe the island's name comes from the name of the (Egyptian-Phoenician) god Bes, whose name is found on Phoenician coins from the island, written -BSM- which can be translated as "island of Bes".

MYLO 03:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

NPOV suggestion
I have tried to rewrite the tourist section to read far more NPOV. Please submit opinions on it, I will post it as standard for the article if no one disagrees with its wording in a week (8 May). Mainly it involved adding in many/most/some to avoid sounding like a guarantee in an advert, and removing excessively strong adjectives.

''Eivissa is a very popular tourist destination, especially due to its legendary riotous nightlife centered mainly in Ibiza Town, the island's capital on the eastern shore. The most famous clubs include Privilege (the largest club in the world), Es Paradís (noted for its water parties), Amnesia (known for foam parties), Space (an after-party club), Pacha, Eden, and DC10. These clubs have become the center of the worldwide electronic music movement. During the summer, world class DJs perform at the various clubs on weekly schedules, in between touring to other worldwide cities. Many of these DJs use Ibiza as an outlet for performing new songs within the house and trance genres of electronic dance music. A typical schedule for vacationers includes waking at noon, early evening naps, late night clubbing, and "disco sunrises". Due to Ibiza's notable tolerance toward misbehavior from young adult tourists, it has acquired the sobriquet "Gomorrah of the Med". It is also famous for Café del Mar, a long-standing bar where many tourists view the sunset.''

''The island is not just known for its party scenes, though, as large portions of the island are registered as a U.N. World Heritage Sites, and thus devoid of the commercialization of the main cities, for example, "God's Finger" in the Benirras Bay, or more traditional Ibithenco cultural sites. Because of its natural beauty, companies and artists alike frequently use the island for photographic and film shoots.''

Guifa 04:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Link suggestion
The commercial links such as or  included in this article promote Ibiza as a clubbing and sexual resort. Ibiza is much more than that and EivissaWeb is a very useful resource to discover the original culture of Ibiza, specially the diary of exhibitions, the reports and the picture data base. More over EivissaWeb follows the W3C standards and is accessible for people with disabilities. EivissaWeb was part of this article from the 10th of October 2004 until the 13th of November 2005. I don't understand why GraemeL insist this is a spammy website, and the other commercial sites are not.


 * You were right about that. The two links you asked about removing were not really of the quality to include. I initially thought that the eivissaweb link was an Adsense farm, but I missed the directory section that has lots of information. I took care of it. --GraemeL (talk) 19:47, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Map please!!
This article needs a map locating Ibiza with respect to the rest of the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.61.178.20 (talk) 11:17, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Columbus monument
Which monument is for Columbus? Is it the egg?

History: James I of Aragon
In this article it is said that James I was a Catalan king, but that's totally incorrect. He wasn't Catalan at all: he was born in Montpellier (in Languedoc; then territory of Aragon, now part of France). In fact, he was the king of Aragon; Catalonia was not, and have never been, a kingdom: it was only a few counties belonging to the crown of Aragon.

I'd like the writer to edit it. --Iancurtis86 16:12, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, as I get no refutation, I will proceed to edit it by myself. --Iancurtis86 16:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me, but you are not right. Jaume I was Catalan, born in Montpeller, a city that belonged to the County of Barcelona at the time. His father was part of the House of Barcelona, and he was a native catalan speaker, as you can read in his self-written Chronicle. Another thing is that he was also king of Aragon, because of the ruling of the House of Barcelona on both Aragon and Catalunya (a word already in use to refer the group of counties under Barcelona) after the marriage union of his male ancestor with Petronila de Aragon. So, one thing is the title, another his real background.--Hei hei 01:49, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

This article is NOT neutral... See Below
This article sounds more like a travel brochure than an encyclopedia article. Please flag this article as such. Read this passage and you tell me if I'm kidding:

"Ibiza in the summer is a phenomenal mix of the the world's craziest, most sophisticated and best organized parties, the best DJs, the most cutting edge dance music, phenomenal beaches, chilled out sunset cafes, amazing restaurants and of course the most interesting mix of people from around the world. It is the epicentre of summer partying for the international 'baby' jet set as well as a favourite destination for many ordinary young people."

No citations, just opinions. This is Bullshit, and not up to Wikipedia standards.

JB


 * That was the first thing I thought when I read this article today. Cottingham 14:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and removed that paragraph, because I couldn't think of any way to rewrite it to NPOV. I'm none too happy with the fourth paragraph either -- are the clubs listed there as iconic or culturally significant as, say, Studio 54 or CBGB in the United States? (I've never heard of any of the Ibizan clubs, but then again I'm American.) Cottingham 14:48, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Gah. I just noticed that several of the clubs have their own articles. I guess that means (at least for now) that they are culturally significant. I'm going back to my coffee now. Cottingham 14:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Ibiza Music section is rubbish
Energy 52's "Cafe del Mar" is virtually *the* defining euphoric trance track. It is not "baleric beat" which is basically just latin/funky house. And Alabama 3? Come on.

The section then lists a number of non-notable mentions of the name "Ibiza" in non-notable songs.

the section fails to define baleic beat. It fails to describle the kinds of music prevelant on the island today, and it misleads by discussing music and movies that really have very little to do with ibiza.

I suggest the entire section be removed, and instead links to sites that discuss this properly be added to the "external links" section.

Agreed. I edited the New Order section. Trance didn't even exist then and noise pop? WTF!? This is stuff like Dat Politics which again didn't even exist then.

Lack of Information
This article has a severe lack of information about Ibiza / Eivissa, its regional government, the history of the island and is based too much upon Ņits music scene. I would try to add more information from the Catalan version, but there's even less!--Luke w 18:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It also lack any comprehensive description of the island's geography. __meco 23:58, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Explosion
There's been an explosion in Ibiza's airport. Don't know if this should be included somewhere.

More info: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6256944.stm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haidbro (talk • contribs) 15:01, June 30, 2007 (UTC)


 * I have updated the article as well as the article about Ibiza Airport with this information. __meco 14:31, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Gay travel destination
Should there be something mentioned about the status it haves as a popular gay holiday destination, or not? --Robster1983 15:51, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * If some external source can be quoted saying something about this, sure. Otherwise I would think such mention would be contentious. I for one would be unsure if the connection to gay culture should be made to Ibiza per se or to clubbing in general. __meco 21:15, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I mentioned it briefly in the lead of the article, and added the sources as reference. I think that if others know more about Ibiza as being a gaytravel destination (for example the history of Ibiza being a gaytravel destination, why Ibiza can consider itself as being a gaytravel destination, etc.), then it could have more attention (somewhere else than the lead of the article?), than it has now. --Robster1983 13:50, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Section about terrorism scare removed
This seems odd to be a part of tourism. This should be included in the history, which should likewise be expanded to fill in the gap between 1715 and 2007
 * Agree. I have moved it to the talk page for now. (the above comment was embedded in the article text.) __meco 12:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Terrorism scare
After the Basque separatist organization ETA declared an end to a unilateral ceasefire on 5 June 2007, Spain has been apprehensive about new terror attacks. On June, Ibizan police carried out a controlled explosion at the Ibiza Airport after Basque newspaper Gara, often used for claims by ETA, said it had received an anonymous threat. The TV channel CNN+ has reported that the detonated package was in fact harmless.

Name
The article gives contradictory origins for the island's name. Please, how can it be from arabic and in the next sentence it comes from phoenician?? too much detail about dance clubs and partying and such an important thing is ledt in a messy state!!! And we wonder why Wikipedia is not regarded as reliable...David (talk) 12:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Perhaps it's time for a separate article about Nightclubs in Ibiza or Ibiza clubbing? __meco (talk) 19:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)