Talk:Ibiza/Archive 2

Tourism
Some may note the changes made to the tourism section. It used to be literally infested with weasel words. I have purged the worst of these, and added 'citation (and fact) needed' tags to those bits that I think can be salvaged and/or expanded upon. Please do not remove a cn tag without either replacing it with a WP:RS}reliable, WP:V}verifiable and neutral reference, or without removing the statement thusly tagged. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  18:26, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Nightclub mentions
User:Arcayne had removed some nightclubs listed in the introduction. I reverted this, mistakenly identifying it as vandalism. That aside, the issue remains as to the verifiability of the notability of these venues to warrant mentioning so prominently in the article. As I believe to be a fact, Ibiza is generally considered the clubbing capital of the world. This will of course not be obvious to everybody and an arbitrary editor is entitled to request citations to corroborate such an assertion. My proposition is to leave the list of nightclub names as it has been for some time, as a good faith gesture considering that this has not been rebuked or challenged on the grounds that this is not a correct description of reality. Instead the sentence in question should be tagged requesting citation, leaving ample time for concerned editors to present appropriate sourcing. __meco (talk) 19:23, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * To begin with, I think that the good folk of Paris, Milan, Rio, Reykjavík Tokyo and New York would argue that perhaps the title of 'clubbing capital' is not so set in stone as you apparently think it to be. If you think these are famous, then cite it. Claims require citation, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary citation. My asking for them doesn't make me 'arbitrary'; it means I am following the policies and guidelines. I do not consider the claims to be an accurate description of reality, and any reasonable challenge to a statement requires citation.
 * I will agree to a short period of tagging, but due to the presence of the weasel words that used to infest the article, I am going to insist on the removal of the weasel word 'famous.' - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  20:05, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Citations for use
Too tired to pull out the ol' search engine to find citations? Grumpy about all the citation needed tags in place in the article? Well, here's your chance to knuckle down and find some and replace the cn tags with actual citations. Here are some Ibiza-specific links to get you all started. If folk find more links, put them here (and tell us what they are for).


 * 1 (source of tourism info)
 * 2 (Ibiza-specific travel guides)
 * 3 (Ibiza holiday travel info)
 * 4 (Ibiza news, stats, events, etc)

- Arcayne   (cast a spell)  00:18, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Dudes, don't just import the sitelinks to the external links, like this lazy bump did :) Do the work, please. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  16:38, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Trivial bits
This stuff isn't cited and would need to turned into paragraph-style prose to be included, as Wikipedia discourages Trivia sections.

It is where all Enigma albums, selling over 35 million copies, were recorded. They also own a small 16th century villa and Goya, a restaurant in Ibiza city.
 * A guitarist of ENIGMA and solo artist, Jens Gad also lives on Ibiza. He has his own "Gad's Studios", where he has recorded 4 Ambient/New Age albums.
 * Ted Leo and the Pharmacists have a song called 'Ballad of the Sin Eater' off their album Hearts of Oak that has the lyric: I stayed out all night in Ibiza, by way of San Sebastian, where they said "Yanque, you better watch what you're sayin', unless you're sayin' it in Basque or in Catalan!"
 * The Vengaboys re-wrote the lyrics of Typically Tropical's 1975 hit "Barbados", as We're Going to Ibiza in which they are travelling to a party on Ibiza by Venga Airways.
 * Mike Oldfield, a prominent British musician, owned a house on Ibiza, where he worked on a couple of his albums. After being exposed to the vibrant dance scene, he gradually incorporated dance-like elements into his subsequent works, such as Tubular Bells III.
 * New Order recorded its 1989 album Technique on the island, mixing influences from balearic beats to house, techno and a more classic 80s indie sound.
 * "Machine Gun Ibiza" is a song from the 1990 album Jordan: The Comeback by the British band Prefab Sprout, celebrating the art of hanging out with cool people.
 * Also Nena, from Germany has a song titled "Ibiza" on her Definitive Collection album.
 * Andy Taylor (Formerly of Duran Duran) lives and works in his own studio in Ibiza.
 * Ibiza is also a favourite hang-out for the former punk artist Nina Hagen.
 * In the British soap opera Hollyoaks, the beauty shop Ivessa is named after the Catalan name of the island. It is where the owner Louise Summers apparently worked with her husband before living in the fictional area of Chester.
 * Indie rock music is becoming increasingly popular on the island with many 'indie bars' appearing amongst the islands top nightspots, and the Ibiza Rocks events at Bar M in San Antonio which has seen artists such as Kasabian, Arctic Monkeys, Editors, Pull Tiger Tail, Babyshambles and The Enemy playing live gigs there.
 * Sparks recorded a song called "The Rhythm Thief" on their album Lil' Beethoven, which includes the lyric, "Lights out, Ibiza."
 * The dark side of all of this mindless Ibizian hedonism is addressed in the 1969 film More by Barbet Schroeder.
 * The film's soundtrack, written by Pink Floyd, included a song titled Ibiza Bar.
 * Ibiza features prominently in several movies, including the 2004 fictional biopic movie It's All Gone Pete Tong about a world famous DJ who loses his hearing and the 2000 comedy movie Kevin & Perry Go Large. The latter, based upon the popular Harry Enfield sketch Kevin the Teenager, is about a young man who decides, along with best friend, that they need to lose their virginity and become, in Kevin's words, "top DJs". :It is also the backdrop to French comming-of-age drama Ma Mere (2004).
 * In the comedy series Extras central character Andy Millman, when discussing the possibility of an afterlife to a nun, imagines heaven might be "like Ibiza, or summat".
 * The singer Nico, who sang on the album The Velvet Underground and Nico, died in Ibiza in 1988 from a heatstroke while riding a bicycle dressed in black.

- Arcayne   (cast a spell)  23:32, 26 February 2008 (UTC)