Talk:Ibn Fadlallah al-Umari

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A colleague of mine were showing our classes some information on this individual, and we came across some extra information to add to the page and hope to improve it. Feel free to edit and improve! Kayz911 (talk) 18:06, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

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This page should be moved to Al-Umari in accordance with Wikipedia naming conventions--always use the simplest English-language name. (This is, by the way, my own mistake putting it here initially). --Dvyost 15:48, 1 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Done. &mdash; mark &#9998; 16:22, 1 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Actually this page should have been moved to Chihab Al-Umari or something. Someone please do that.  Al-Umari is a big international tribe with millions of members.  I need to write an article on this tribe.  Thank you.  Hassanfarooqi 20:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

He died in 1348!

Why the french (?) spelling "Chihab Al-Umari"? This title seems odd. In the Encyclopedia of Islam, this person appears under the heading Ibn Fadl allah al-Umari. That seems right to me, and that is the name by which he seems to be referred to in scholarly works. Someone, please make this change. - Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.183.127.133 (talk) 16:40, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

masalik al-absar fi mamalik al-amsar
Sugar candy in china.

http://books.google.com/books?id=DzqPvHlFkV4C&pg=PA92#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=ynTvSAAACAAJ&dq=masalik+al-absar+fi+mamalik+al-amsar&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9Kj5UP_7HMiy0AGcjoG4BQ&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA

http://books.google.com/books?id=DFO-eV9cQ0sC&pg=PA252&dq=masalik+al-absar+fi+mamalik+al-amsar&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9Kj5UP_7HMiy0AGcjoG4BQ&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=masalik%20al-absar%20fi%20mamalik%20al-amsar&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=OP-u6Vapdl4C&pg=PA187&dq=masalik+al-absar+fi+mamalik+al-amsar&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9Kj5UP_7HMiy0AGcjoG4BQ&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=masalik%20al-absar%20fi%20mamalik%20al-amsar&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=qVYT4Kraym0C&pg=PA322&dq=masalik+al-absar+fi+mamalik+al-amsar&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9Kj5UP_7HMiy0AGcjoG4BQ&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=masalik%20al-absar%20fi%20mamalik%20al-amsar&f=false

Rajmaan (talk) 20:00, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

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It has been sourced that the subject matter had been a student of Ibn Taymiyya.

The same free academic paper cited the full title of one his works: Ibn Faḍl Allāh Al‑ʿUmarī, Masālik al‑abṣār fī mamālik al‑amṣār, ed. Muḥammad ʿAbd al‑Qādir Kharīsāt et al., al‑ʿAyn, Zayd Center for Heritage and History, 2001–2004, 25 vols. Other secondary sources were provided to the shortened title ''Masālik al-abṣār, éd. Sayyid'', including this bibliographical record.

Possibly of the same author, called as Aḥmad ibn Yaḥyá Ibn Faḍl Allāh al-ʻUmarī, there are the following books: Quite certainly, the second belogns to the same author, but more expert people can say if this so and in that case add it to the main article.
 * 1) A fourteenth century Arab account of India under Sultan Muhammad Bin Tughluq. Being English translation of the chapters on India from Shihab al-Din al- Umari's Masalik al-ab sar fi-mamalik al-am sar. ( and, 86 pp.)
 * 2) al-Taʻrīf bi-al-muṣṭalaḥ al-sharīf (, 2 voll.).

About the Gaoussou Diawara's according to which "Abu Bakr II reached the Americas years before Christopher Columbus", WorldCat under the search string "Ibn Fadlallah al-Umari" gives a World map of the geographers of the Caliph Al-Maʼmūn (reigned 813-833 A.D.)., that isn't available for consultation on the Library of Congress' website. Maybe, it will become in the upcoming future. I've categorized him under category:Syrian sufi because if the world map was really made by this author, he had the same paranormal faculty of clairvoyance in the space that allowed the Latin author Pomponio Mela to make the first geographic mapping of the world that is known today, including Americas. An accurate cartography needs to personally view the described location -proximately to them or through a distant vision-...., and thus can't be realized on the basis of third party accounts. Sufists had the mysticism and spiritual practice needed to do a similar activity. Hence, the categorization.It needs additional sources, but it seems also to be reasonable to suppose it.

I apologize for the rambling comment. Regards, Theologian81sp