Talk:Ibn Jibrin

Notablility
"A top Saudi cleric declares Shiites to be infidels, calls on Sunnis to drive them out" https://www.mail-archive.com/osint@yahoogroups.com/msg35080.html originally from International Herald Tribune http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/01/22/africa/ME-GEN-Saudi-Shiites.php (dead link)

Sounds pretty notable to me. --BoogaLouie (talk) 16:28, 1 May 2014 (UTC)


 * user:BoogaLouie Hi, please read WP:GNG. According to this, notability is "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject...". I could find very little about Ibn Jibreen except in unreliable non-academic sites. If you are able to list a few reliable sources that would be great. Additionally, I noted that you listed some information from the website http://muslimmatters.org. This doesn't seem to be a credible source as per WP:RS as the article is nothing more than a fan site for Ibn Jibreen (e.g. the statement "Truly with the death of the Shaykh we have lost the last of the great giants of our era".  What are your thoughts? RookTaker (talk) 17:56, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed muslimmatters.org is not WP:RS. I am hoping for some forbearance for using it as a source for issues such as where ibn Jibreen was born and went to school. My case is that the Council of Senior Scholars of KSA is a very powerful organization. That KSA is very important country. That Sunni-Shia conflict is (very sadly) a major contemporary issue in the Middle East. And that a short article on someone in the midst of all this is fitting for wikipedia's mission. --BoogaLouie (talk) 18:30, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
 * WOuld qualifying the career section with something like "according to the blog muslimmattters" address your concerns? --BoogaLouie (talk) 18:50, 1 May 2014 (UTC)


 * user:BoogaLouie I found an article by the Saudi Gazette (http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=2009071443654) which contains information about Ibn Jibreen. I still don't think that it satisfies WP:RS given that Saudi Arabia doesn't have a free press, however it seems preferable to the polemic and sectarian muslimmatters website. As such it might be better to change the reference to the Saudi Gazette. RookTaker (talk) 21:10, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. Thank you. A lot of the muslimmatters.org post is word-for-word from the Saudi Gazette article.
 * BTW, here is my defense of using a source like muslimmatters.org. From WP:RS:
 * ''While a source may be biased, it may be reliable in the specific context. ... Editors should also consider whether the bias makes it appropriate to use in-text attribution to the source, as in "According to the opinion columnist Maureen Dowd..." or "According to the opera critic Tom Sutcliffe...".
 * Common sources of bias include political, financial, religious, philosophical, or other beliefs. --BoogaLouie (talk) 14:08, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

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