Talk:Ibn Juzayy

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I notice the guesses of his birth and death have now been removed, by the same author who added them. It's now marginally a sub-stub. Is the other material guesswork too? Do we know anything about this person except what is already recorded in the Ibn Battuta article?

In particular, do we have any other works of his, or other authors who cite them? If so, they should be added. If not, what is the evidence that he did write other works?

As I said on VfD, if we know nothing else about this person, then the appropriate course of action is a redirect. Andrewa 20:28, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * There is a lot known about this person. It just isn't all available online.  The information I've added is from various sources online.  There were conflicts with regard to the years, though (one source claimed he died 1355, while another claimed he wrote something in 1356).  The facts that I kept seem to be well supported, though (except for the "dictated" part, which is from a previous version).  Of course, dead tree research will likely be necessary to confirm the dates and other information. Anthony DiPierro 20:49, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. Unless you are going to incorporate this material yourself, please add an "External links" section to the stub telling us what these "various sources" are. I had a quick look at Google, and it's not obvious to me. As it stands, much of your research is wasted. Andrewa 00:29, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Indeed. It was the father wo died in 1340. The son in 1357.

The family relations in Spanish: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:gWqffaQmIm8J:www.islamyal-andalus.org/control/noticia.php%3Fid%3D1423+Ibn+Yuzayy&hl=nl&ct=clnk&cd=12&gl=nl&client=firefox-a

Personajes de la corte granadina relacionados con Ibn Játima, que fueron sus amigos y contertulios, hay muchos. A parte de Ibn al Jatib, cuyas muestras y testimonios de amistad señalaremos, y de Abú-l-Barakát b. al-Haŷŷ, de cuya biografía recogí en mi artículo a él dedicado, la mayor parte de las anécdotas relacionadas con ambos en muchos momentos de su vida, citaremos a Abú 'Abd Alláh Muhammad b. Yuzayy al-Kalbi, (18) uno de los más famosos miembros de la ilustre familia de los Banú Yuzayy, hijo de Abú-l-Qásim Muhammad, el panegirista de Abú-l-Hayyáy Yúsuf, muerto en la batalla del Salado el año 741 = 1340. (19) Abú 'Abd Alláh Muhammad b. Yuzayy, granadino y panegirista en la corte granadina, primero, y más tarde en la del sultán marini Abú 'Inán de Fez, murió en esta ciudad el año 758 = 1357. Fue el que redactó los viajes de Ibn Battúta, m. 770 = 1368-69, y terminó esta redacción, dirigida por el propio Ibn Battúta, el año 756 = 1356, dos años antes de su muerte. No es este lugar para extenderme en noticias detalladas de Muhammad Ibn Yuzayy, personaje sumamente interesante, que junto a sus hermanos 'Abd Alláh (20) y Ahmad (21) desempeñaron un brillante papel en el mundo literario del reino .de Granada.

Su amistad con Ibn Játima la señala al-Maqqari, (22) que recoge una carta dirigida por Ibn Játima a Ibn Yuzayy, envuelta en artificios retóricos y en frases de doble sentido, siguiendo un estilo empleado por los literatos árabes de todo tiempo, pero que encontró entre los de esta época una especial aceptación. En esta carta, nos dice al-Maqqari, contesta a una qasida en zay, con la que Ibn Yuzayy había contestado a su vez a otra qasida en rá' que le dirigió Ibn Játima. Ibn Yuzayy evitaba deliberadamente el empleo del ra porque no sabía pronunciarlo y lo cambiaba por el gayn. Otra qasida de Ibn Yuzayy dedicada a Abú-l-Hayyáy Yusuf (23) viene a confirmar esta aversión por la letra ra', va que ninguna de las palabras empleadas en los 34 versos tiene entre sus consonantes el ra.

Footnotes 18. Para su biografía, véase Nafh al-Tib, 8, PP. 40-54; Azhdr al-Riydd, 3, PP. 189-204; Durrat al-Híjál, n.° 751; al-Katiba al-Kamina, PP. 223-28; Natir' fi fara'id al- Yumdn, PP. 292­306; Nayl, p. 105; Brockelman, G.A.L., 233; Pons, Ensáyo biobibliográfico, n.° 284. 19. Durrat al-Hiycil, n.° 553; Nath al-Tib, 8, P. 28; Azhdr al-Riydd, 2, P. 184; al-Katiba al-Kdmina, PP. 46-48; Dibd~, P. 295; Nayl, P. 235; IAdia, Ms. París, iols. 61 b y 62 a. 20. Nafh al-Tib, 8, PP. 54; al-Katiba al-Iftimina, p. 96-99; Nayl, P. 129. 21. Nafh, 8, p. I3I; Azhdr al-Riydd, 2, P. 187; Durrat al-Hiyd1, n.° 8o; Ihdta, 168; al-Katiba al Kdmina, 138-143. 22. Nafh al-Tib, 8, p. 144 77.250.125.20 (talk) 10:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Averoes?
No, indeed he teacher was Ibn Rushd al-Saghir (who wrote many fiqh books like Bidayah al-Mujtahid) This incidentally was the biological grandson of Ibn Rushd al-Kabir (Averroes).S711 (talk) 14:06, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Confusion
Both the English and Arabic versions of this article appear to be talking about Ibn Juzayy the Elder, a renowned Islamic polymath, and Ibn Juzayy the younger, who was Ibn Battuta's biographer. The former is the main subject in the Arabic, the latter in the English; I haven't checked other languages.

At the very least, these two pages are to be separated, though I feel that both father and son are notable enough to deserve separate pages in both English and Arabic.

--Moonlight2001 (talk) 14:31, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Change this page into a disambig page? Google Translate of Arabic Wikipedia: Ibn Jazi al-Kalbi JorgeLaArdilla (talk) 17:06, 29 January 2020 (UTC)