Talk:Ibn al-Rawandi

More accuracy Needed
We need some more accuracy here. It should be mentioned that they style of the Zumurrud is in a specific form of Arabic kalam, Qala and Yuqal Lahu ("he said" and "it should be said to him"). Various scholars have said that Abu Issa al-Warraq is the voice "Qala" which is anti-prophecy and thus the heretic amd "Yuqal lahu" is Ibn al-Rawandi who defends Islam and prophecy. There is no surviving copy of the Zumurrud and it is only relayed in various pieces in the Majalis al-Muayyadiyya, the Kitab al-Tawhid of Maturidi and the Tathbit Dala'il al-Nubuwwa (Establishment of the Error of Prophecy) by Abd al-Jabbar al Hamdhani. This should at least be mentioned, because it is no longer clear, at least to me, that Ibn al-Rawandi is, in fact, a heretic. The dispute really is whether al_Rawandi collaberated in his heresy with al-Warraq, was setting up al-Warraq in this "conversation" for refutation, or whether Ibn al-Rawandi was in fact a heretic and simply weakly argued the case for Islam under his name while using a known heretic (al-Warraq) to advance the heretical position. Finally the debate about prophecy surrounds the issue of the Mubahala, and Muhammad asking the Jews to ask for death from God if Muhammad was not a prophet. Any thoughts from anyone else?

-Altrafton.


 * If you can find sources, it can be added. Darimoma (talk) 01:44, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

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Request for Comments
There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.

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Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 05:19, 24 April 2015 (UTC)