Talk:Ibrahim Sultan (Timurid)

Rename to Ibrahim Sultan ibn Shahrukh
Ibrahim Sultan seems to be this guy's common name, and it was the page title until January 2013. "Mirza" doesn't seem to be a part of his name—instead it seems to be the title mirza (this guy is sometimes called Mirza Ibrahim Sultan and Ibrahim Sultan Mirza but mostly in 19th century sources. In more modern sources:


 * Beatrice Forbes Manz, The Rise and Rule of Tamerlane (1989)
 * p. 87: "He granted the borders of Moghulistan...to Shāhrukh's son Ibrāhīm Sulṭān in 807/1404"
 * Listed as "Ibrāhīm Sulṭān b. Shāhrukh" in the index
 * Manz, ''Power, Politics, and Religion in Timurid Iran" (2007)
 * p. 24: "He was fortunate in having no dynastic competition within his realm, since his eldest sons, Ulugh Beg and Ibrahim Sultan, were only ten."
 * p. xvi "4 Shawwal, 838/May 3, 1435: Death of Ibrahim Sultan b. Shahrukh."
 * Listed in the index as "Ibrāhīm Sulṭān b. Shāhrukh, Mīrzā" (here mirza seems to be a prepended title—it's not used anywhere in the text)
 * Sholeh A. Quinn, "Notes on Timurid legitimacy in three Safavid chronicles", Iranian Studies (1998)
 * p. 154: "The relevant passage appears in [Qazi Ahmad's] section on Ibrahim Sultan, son of the Timurid Shahrukh: The inscriptions of the madrasas which he himself [Mirza Ibrahim Sultan] founded in Shiraz..." (note that Mirza only appears in the quoted 17th century text, and seems to be a title as well).
 * Sheila Blair and Jonathan M. Bloom, The Art and Architecture of Islam 1250-1800 (1995)
 * p. 60: "Shiraz remained a center of manuscript production, at first under the auspices of Ibrahim Sultan, second son of Shahrukh."
 * David J. Roxburgh, "The Persian Album, 1400-1600: From Dispersal to Collection" (2005)
 * p. 132: "Ibrahim Sultan brought Sharaf al-Din 'Ali Yazdi, a second author important for his historiography, to Shiraz in 1419."
 * J. Michael Rogers, "Centralisation and Timurid Creativity", Oriente Moderno (1996)
 * p. 533: "Sharaf al-Din 'All Yazdi's Zafarnamah (completed832/1424-25), written partly at Siraz for Ibrahim Sultan" (diacritics left off but you get the point).

So Ibrahim Sultan seems to be the common name now. But it's not clear that this guy is the primary topic. Check out the Google book search results for "Ibrahim Sultan":
 * 1) This guy
 * 2) N/A (title says "Sultan Ibrahim"—all hits in the book are incidental reversals)
 * 3) N/A (author)
 * 4) Ibrahim Sultan Ali, Eritrean nationalist
 * 5) Eritrean nationalist
 * 6) This guy
 * 7) This guy
 * 8) This guy
 * 9) unrelated shrine in Turkmenistan
 * 10) Eritrean nationalist

So we probably need to disambiguate further. Mirza isn't great since it's a title, so instead we can extend his name by adding his patronymic as Beatrice Forbes Manz does: "Ibrahim Sultan ibn Shahrukh". It's used in some other books and websites—not much, but enough that I'm confident it's valid.—Neil P. Quinn (talk) 23:13, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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