Talk:Ice dance/Archive 1

Five second rule
The five-second rule article links here and says there is a five second rule in ice dancing, but nothing about a five second rule is included here. -Cookiemobsta

Yeah, what's the deal with the five second rule? Does it exist? Ewlyahoocom 15:23, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * As the article indicates, the ISU has made many changes to the rules for ice dancing over the past 10-15 years. There *used* to be a 5-second rule regarding separations in ice dancing, but there isn't any more.   Dr.frog 16:42, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info! (Although I don't see anything in the article about any 5-second rule...) I'll go update Five-second rule. 03:23, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

No music with lyrics!?
"ice dancing is currently the only discipline of figure skating which allows vocal music with lyrics in competition " - um, WHAT? I could swear I had seen pair skaters and singles male and especially female skaters use music with lyrics in "competition", including Ice Wars (and I could swear World and maybe even Olympics) before. What the heck? I specifically recall for instance, seeing Shakira's "Eyes Like Yours" being performed as a short program by a female singles skater in a couple of competitions, I've also seen that (IMO) horrible Britney Spears cover of the Rolling Stones' "Can't Get No Satisfaction" performed to in a competition, and there's one female skater that I've more than once seen use a version of the Chicago musical's "All That Jazz" number in routines. Can anybody clarify this for me? Especially since it makes no sense at all considering THIS passage of the Ice Dancing article: "Another distinction between ice dance and other disciplines of skating is that dancers must always skate to music that has a definite beat or rhythm. Singles and pair skaters more often skate to the melody and phrasing of their music, rather than its beat, but this is severely penalized in ice dance." How the heck can music have "phrasing" without lyrics? Am I missing something? :\ Runa27 03:25, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Professional competitions such as Ice Wars have no set rules; the reference is in respect to ISU-sanctioned international competitions. As far as the phrasing issue, there *is* such a thing as a melodic phrase; see phrase (music).  Dr.frog 12:40, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Wow, I should have read this Talk page before the Figure Skating one. ^^;; ... anyway, thank you for clearing those two issues up. Am I the only one who thinks the non-inclusion of vocal music in the forms of figure skating that AREN'T based on ballroom dancing a little weird? (And in my case, it's also kind of disappointing . :. Anyway, this means that both pages need to be edited - the ice dancing one to more specifically reference ISU-sanctioned international competitions, and the figure skating one to reflect the fact that non-ice dancing forms of the sport do not allow vocal music in ISU-sanctioned comps. I'll do the former, and perhaps the latter, now. Again - thanks for the clarification! Runa27 21:53, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


 * So, how does this read?: "Additionally, in international competitions sanctioned by the ISU, ice dancing is the only form of figure skating to allow vocal music with lyrics to be skated to. This, however, does not necessarily apply to non-ISU-sanctioned competitions (see: figure skating)." Short, but gives proper information in as clear a manner and phrasing as possible, IMO. Runa27 22:07, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Something against Russian ice dancers?
The middle paragraph of the History section seems odd to me... I don't have enough knowledge to take a position, but I know some Russian ice dancers who would have an strong opinion - which suggests to me that this is in the realm of opinion. Since all I can say with authority is that it is unreferenced, I simply added a refimprov tag. Does anyone else think these statements sound biased? Elipses/boldface for succintness:

The Russian style of ice dance typically emphasizes speed and power at the expense of precision.

''...alterations ... not strictly correct according to the rulebook.''

Russian ice dancers are also known for theatrical and sometimes bizarre costuming and expression in their dances...

--Waveformula (talk) 01:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I see the same problems. The middle paragraph is not o.k. There is a very strong bias - watching this sport since the 1960s. It is funny that this paragraph has survived for such a long time.

"Beginning in the 1970s, dance began to be dominated more by teams from the Soviet Union and, after the end of the Soviet Union, by Russia. The Russian style of ice dance typically emphasizes speed and power at the expense of precision. For example, in the compulsory dances, the skaters have been known to make slight alterations in the pattern and timing of the steps that are not strictly correct according to the rulebook, but which make the dance flow better or have more speed over the ice, and hence appear more impressive. Russian ice dancers are also known for theatrical and sometimes bizarre costuming and expression in their dances." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.118.68.62 (talk) 10:56, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I have rewritten the paragraph in question, with references. It's not supposed to be an attempt to bash Russian skaters, it's about a shift in ice dancing technique from the British/North American style to the Russian, and to explain why the ISU had to revise the rules to bring dance back to being about sport rather than theatre, as covered in the next paragraph. Dr.frog (talk) 18:00, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Not an Olympic medal sport?!
The opening paragraph of this article states: "It was first competed at the World Figure Skating Championships in 1952, but never became a Winter Olympic Games medal sport." According to the official Olympics website, there have been medals awarded for Ice Dancing at least as far back as the 1976 Winter Olympics in Innsbruck. See here: --Pukunui81 (talk) 22:45, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks like a bit of vandalism. Reverted it out. --Smashvilletalk 22:50, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

-- vandalized again? Still has two statements about it being  a new Olympic medal sport in 2014, despite reference to the 1976  Olympics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:D:9000:12A:CC84:7CDC:99EB:2A41 (talk) 04:15, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

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[Untitled]
I recently added information about the three main dance components, we could use a stronger layout and organazation of the information. We could also use a seperate section under the history about the history of scoring, including the various scandals, and concluding with an in-depth explanation of the new code-or-points scoring system. -Ben 1/26/06

This page really needs more about rules, history, scoring, and the differences between dance and other forms of skating. Evan 23:39 25 Jul 2003 (UTC)
 * True, it's missing alot. Like the original set pattern dance superceded by the original dance. Blades used are different from pairs and singles, etc...--Pelladon 03:17, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm new to Wikipedia and I'm gradually getting more involved in editing articles. I'm mostly interested in ice sports, particularly figure skating and ice dance. So I would like to help expand and improve this article if it would help. My husband has a LOT of knowledge about ice dance, technicalities, history, scoring systems, etc. in fact not a lot he doesn't claim to know about it - he was an ice dancer in his youth and has devoted his life to obsessing about the subject... He's not a wiki editor himself but could certainly help me to help you with the article. Anyway, please do look up my user page. I've done a lot of work on the National Ice Centre article because it's a place that's very dear to my heart and also my second home! Also, please look out for a new section on this Talk page (below) which I'm about to start off. In fact, I was about to do that when I happened to read this one and felt I had to respond! Cheerio for now. Rodney Baggins (talk) 19:46, 19 February 2018 (UTC)