Talk:Ice skating

Spell check and fact check
Your ice skating article needs to be spell checked and also fact checked. I will revert the changes until you can validate your claims with links to other wiki articles or external links. Friction indeed does increase with increased mass, so do not make such claims. --Benefros 05:19, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * If you expect the article to be perfect the first time then you will be disappointed. First step is get the facts right. Second step is to fix up the grammar and the spelling. Third step is to clean up the presentation. That's the wiki way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.47.84.40 (talk) 05:32, 11 November 2004 (UTC)

What is sdjasdasd?
Is the word sdjasdasd in the article a misspelled word? Or does it have some meaning? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.6.54 (talk) 15:31, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Can't see it now, probably vandalism. njh 09:22, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Ice Skating
Since when can you not go skating when it's colder than -20 C? Whoever wrote this is completely mistaken because I've personally been skating when it's -25 C. I'm from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, where it gets cold like that all the time. It might not be all that fun because of the cold but you can certainly skate just like normal. In fact, this winter I'll make a point of skating if it gets down to -30 C or -35 C, and I'll post that it works at that temperature too. I'll have to wait a while for my hands to thaw before I make any changes though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.128.112.47 (talk) 22:01, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Perhaps the -20C refers to the temperature of the ice, not the air temp? njh 09:22, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


 * There's a good review article on the physics by Robert Rosenberg ("Why Is Ice Slippery?", Physics Today, Dec 2005) . He says that Scott's last expedition to the South Pole had no trouble with skiing at -30C, but the snow surface was like sand at -46C. And our article on Scott says:
 * "The low temperatures they encountered on the Ross Ice Barrier meant that their sledge would not slide easily over the snow in the familiar way. Their task can be better compared to pulling a full bathtub across the Sahara."
 * -- Avenue 11:09, 21 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Perfect example: The Heritage Classic. NHL hockey at -20 C. (-30 C with the windchill but that doesn't affect the ice) Just what you wanted, another Edmonton reference. Skating is easy at these temperatures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.150.245.120 (talk) 00:19, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I've skated at -33 deg. C, -50 deg. C with windchill in Calgary and it wasn't a problem at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.184.63.92 (talk) 11:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

According to Professor Gabor Somorjai of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (http://www.exploratorium.com/hockey/ice2.html) the thin "quasi-fluid layer" on ice still exists at tempretures as low as -157 Celsius (-250 F). Even if the slippery layer is then only one molecule thick. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.176.252.106 (talk) 14:46, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Overcomplicated science?
As far as I know, the science goes as follows: Your whole body weight is focused onto a small surface area by the blades. The pressure of the blades on the ice melts the ice into water, reducing friction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.111.242.64 (talk) 17:12, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Clausius-Clapeyron relation seems to imply that the pressure theory of ice skating is wrong entirely. Not sure what the true answer is. njh 09:22, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


 * In his article (see above), Rosenberg explains that the pressure theory fails to explain skating at temperatures below -3.5C. There seem to be two current theories, neither of which explains all the facts. One says that friction melts the ice under the blades, the other that there is always a liquid surface layer at normal ice skating temperatures. Incidentally, other substances such as lead also have a liquid surface layer when slightly below their melting temperature. (Diamonds too.) -- Avenue 11:09, 21 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Please also see this link: "Dr. Salmeron said that this finding indicates that while the top layer of ice may be liquid, it is too thin to contribute much to slipperiness except near the melting temperature.". Don't know the truth, either. Fuss 18:36, 21 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Maybe ice skating is impossible... I know that bumblebees can't fly, you can't burn boats with mirrors and nobody could have built the pyramids :) njh 22:52, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

The explanation of how ice skating works is very complex. In a nutshell, it is mainly related to the fact that the ice has a thin layer of water due to the entropy reasons mentioned in the wiki page, plus there are other effects too which I don't have the time to go into. The effect of blade pressure creating a water boundary is not the major reason for ice skates working the way they do. The current explanation looks good to me. - 13 October 2007 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.184.63.92 (talk) 11:30, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Rousette Skating ??
What on earth is Rousette Skating? I really think we need to add more detail, or remove it. Maybe it is related to schoonrijden? Gary van der Merwe 18:46, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I created a stub article, but when I added the wiki link, I did't find the word from dictionary, therefore the term might be wrong. Or another possiblity is that there is no English term, but that event is a pure Finnish origin. --Thv 14:53, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Cool. Very interesting. Gary van der Merwe 15:16, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Boob?
The article page says, "Ice skating is a boob...", obviously vandalism. However, when going to edit the page, this excerpt is missing. I don't know enough about wikis to fix this, so can someone else address this? It's been this way for a couple of days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.182.131 (talk) 07:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow, that was fast. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.182.131 (talk) 07:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Ringette
Shouldn't this article have a link to ringette? Meters 00:31, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Added Meters — Preceding undated comment added 05:00, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

English vs. International?
This is probably about skating history - I don't know if anyone makes this style distinction anymore.

A story by E. F. Benson ('A Comedy of Styles', 1914) focuses on two skaters who use different styles - the English, vilified as 'ramrod', and the International, vilified as 'dancing/poseur'. Does anyone know much about these distinctions? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Italogreco (talk • contribs) 14:18, 23 April 2007 (UTC).

Entropically Favorable
This is a blue link on the page now, but it redirects to the Entropy article, and I am not nearly enough of a physicist to understand a lot of that article, but I understand that the phrase is not defined in that article anywhere. Perhaps this could be defined within this Ice Skating article, or better still, perhaps that phrase could be thrown out entirely and written in more accessible terms? Deltopia 18:53, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Entropically favorable is indeed the correct term to use and the Entropy wiki page is also correct. Entropy is a fairly complex thing to understand though and I can see how it would leave you a little baffled :P I can't see any way to reword that without either making it a physics lesson (not appropriate for the page) or not explaining the liquid/solid boundary correctly. I often teach this type of chemistry to third year university level and when I reach any bits about entropy, it is an accepted practice to just waffle through the entropy side of things. Entropy is a physics issue, chemists usually just trust the physicists explanation and move on unless it's of dire importance to the understanding of what's going on (rare). I recommend a similar approach here - albeit it does cause some confusion (a common problem when discussing entropy with non-physicists). - 13 October 2007 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.184.63.92 (talk) 11:24, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Synthetic Ice
This was a bit messy, so I've reworded it a bit and inserted a reference to a non-manufacturer based discussion on the subject. I also learned a valuable lesson - use the sandbox before editing pages live! the page was messed up for a couple of minutes before I figured out how to fix the problem I'd caused - seemed to be related to me goofing up by using the REF tag incorrectly. Apologies for any inconvenience - 13 November 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.184.63.92 (talk) 11:52, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Dangers of Natural Ice Skating
I came here looking for conections to find out about the dangers of natural ice. It is a good engough section as it is, to a point, but I would be interested in seeing more about the perennial risks, how people determine that natural ice is safe for skating on; how common skating on natural ice is; where and when people do it etc. I don't know where I would put suych info or where one would get it, but I think it would be interesting and useful if someone could get it.

IceDragon64 (talk) 18:18, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Link of post card from Israel ?!
Hi,

Is it really necessary to have a link of a post card, describing a figure skater ? I recommend removing it. Georgegh (talk) 20:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Ice Skating
Did I miss it? Should there be one? Trekphiler (talk) 18:08, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * There is WikiProject_Ice_Hockey and WikiProject_Figure_Skating. Gary van der Merwe (Talk) 15:01, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Worlds fastest growing sport
Sorry, but this claim seemed unecessary, and also needed a citation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.103.165.240 (talk) 01:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

History
the history section seems to skip topics, first it is talking about the blade ratios, and then it switches to talking about competitions without a pause. Something should be reworded. Captain Gamma (talk) 02:59, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

physical mechanics
The German wikipedia page claims that the allways present nm thick layer of liquid on the surface of ice is not thick enough to provide lubrication by several orders of magnitude. The "slippery ice" effect is claimed to be due to friction heat. The source cited for this claim elaborates that the friction theory is much more in line with observed skate behavior. e.g. non-moving ice skates exhibit much higher initial friction than moving skates.

So ... what's true? The claim on the English wikipedia or the claim on the German wikipedia? Both have found websites to cite aplenty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.230.81.12 (talk) 22:41, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Lede needs significant expansion.
the lede of this article is inadequate. It only covers a fraction of the content of the article. significant expiation is necessary. I'll work on it a bit if I have time. InsertCleverPhraseHere InsertTalkHere 23:29, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Outdoor ice skating and climate change
I noticed that there is no mention of how outdoor ice skating has been and will be affected by climate change. I've found peer reviewed research that discusses this topic and was thinking about adding a section to the article. Would be curious if anyone who watches this page closely has any comments regarding the subject or any insight as to why there is not currently a section on this subject. 123Mitchell —Preceding undated comment added 20:35, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment
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