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This statement in the 04:57, 4 May 2004  version is probably incorrect


 * Natural ice wines require a hard frost (roughly 9 degrees C)...

Nine degrees C is above the freezing point of water, and thus would not create either frost or icewine. Perhaps it should say -9 degrees C rather than (+)9 degrees C. Hopefully someone more knowledgable than me can either confirm or correct this.

12.64.186.127 03:18, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I'm no expert on it, but it did say "hard frost", so I went ahead and changed what was clearly wrong to what was probably right. - Hephaestos|&#167; 03:23, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Ad
"A wide selection of Icewines is available online, with worldwide delivery through http://www.icewineniagara.net" - Do we need the advertisment? ~ bbglas007 06:43, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope. It's removed. Tomas e (talk) 20:45, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

It is changed to a statement no more promotional than:

Niagara-on-the-Lake's Inniskillin is traditionally considered the leading Icewine producer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.104.132 (talk) 18:08, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Since the statement included a link to the producer's web site, I removed it. Please refer to WP:EL for Wikipedia's policy on external links - as a general rule: no external links in the article body, and no commercial linkspam. Tomas e (talk) 21:03, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Headline Breaks
The article seemed jumbled and clustered so I tried adding some breaks. It's far from perfect but maybe some more tweaking by other sets of eyes will make it flow better Agne27 17:59, 27 April 2006 (UTC)Agne27

One word or two?
Should it be ice wine or icewine? Because at the moment both are used in the article, so it could use a little uniformity.--24.203.61.236 19:17, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe that "ice wine" is more common but both are in common use. Rmhermen 14:18, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Specifically, "icewine" is used by VQA wineries under a set of regulations that closely follows Germany's regs for eiswein. I believe they have the exclusive right to "icewine" in Canada, something labeled "ice wine" could be the result of cryoextraction of non-Canadian grapes. Therefore I think that "ice wine" is the generic term and "icewine" is the term used when discussing the real Canadian stuff. But I'm just an American, we don't even make real ice wine. Wnissen 14:50, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, we do - at least in Michigan and New York. Rmhermen 15:27, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * Huh! I've had a pretty good example from Ohio made from late-picked grapes that were frozen, but didn't know there was anyone in the U.S. with the proper climate. Wnissen 13:44, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The climates of the Ontario, New York, northern Ohio and Michigan wine regions are all rather similar, moderated by the Great Lakes or the Finger Lakes but still pretty cold. Rmhermen 22:18, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Icewine is a legally protected term (like Kleenex and Frisbee and Hoover) for ice wine that is grown to pretty rigourous VQA standards in Canada. Only Canadian Icewine may be called "Icewine" just as only German and Austrian ice wines may be called "Eiswein". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Philcheevers (talk • contribs) 00:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That is true in Canada and the EU but not worldwide. Rmhermen (talk) 03:04, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Usually vs unusually
Those consistent freezes are usual for Canada but unusual for grape producing regions. So isn't there a better way to word that sentence? --132.206.150.33 18:03, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree, perhaps something such as "Canada has usually consistent freezes in winter, which is quite odd for a wine producing region, and such has become the largest producer of icewine in the world". but that seems too long.

strength
I've not heard of these wines before. I was just wondering, if it's more concentrated and sweeter, I'dve thought it would end up stronger in %alcohol than normal wine. Does anyone know whhy it doesn't? Me rk i n s m um  02:12, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually it is normally the opposite. The Fermentation (wine) articles goes into more of the nitty gritty details but essentially fermenting anywine, including ice wine, is the process of converting sugar into alcohol. So in simple terms, generally the sweeter the wine the less alcohol in the wine. In the case of sweet fortified wines like Port wine, extra alcohol is actually added to the wine to boost the strength. Hope that helps. AgneCheese/Wine 02:16, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

weakness:

For some odd reason information that is primarily about Inniskillin’s winery is completely dominating this article. I think it is unfair to mention so much about Inniskillin and so little about the world's current leaders in the Icewine industry (such as other high-quality Icewine producers in the Niagara Region). This entire article about Icewine should just be called "Inniskillin's-Icewine-Page", because this article barely discusses any of the world's other Icewine producers. Congratulations Inniskillin on pioneering Icewine in Niagara and introducing it to the world, but it's time to share a little of the spotlight and acknowledge the other hard-working wineries that are right there beside you helping to build the high-quality image of Icewine around the world.
 * Have you actually read the entire article, because it doesn't really say what you claim? The reason why Inniskillin is mentioned several times in the second half of the "History" section is because of their fairly large pioneering role, as documented in the multiple references given. But take notice, this article clearly states that they weren't really first (as a careless reading of some shallow sources could led you to believe), so I don't understand the complaint. The Canadian history section really has this length to illustrate some "hobby production" and the "false starts" that led on to the commercially successful Icewine production of the various Canadian regions. Tomas e (talk) 14:17, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Forgive me for trying to add new information to your wikipedia-page on Icewine. I simply wanted to contribute something about my grandparent's winery to this wikipedia-page. I am a grandson of Mr.Pillitteri and I don't think I've ever added anything to advertise my grandparent's winery on wikipedia. All of the information I've added has always been referenced from creditable and non-biased online sources. The few additions I've added to wikipedia on this webpage are brief, very factual, fit-in extremely well with the overall article and most importantly they do not dominate the Icewine article. I noticed another reader's complaint on the DISCUSSION-page about Inniskillin’s redundant and overwhelming presence on this wikipedia-page about Icewine. How is it that there is allowed to be so much "information/advertising" about Inniskillin’s winery but if I try and add new and noteworthy information about my grandparent's winery or other Icewine producers such as Henry of Pelham Winery it is immediately discredited and removed? To put it simply, my input into the Icewine-page on wikipedia is not advertising, it’s simply factual and informative about the ever changing and growing Icewine Industry. If advertising is truly unacceptable on wikipedia then there is absolutely no reason why Inniskillin’s promotional-homepage (www.inniskillin.com) should be accepted as a creditable source in the reference section of this article on Icewine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Richnotl (talk • contribs) 07:29, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Considering your connection to the text you have insisted on inserting to the article, it would be a good idea for you to read WP:COI. The text you keep trying to add contains words considered not in wikipedia's best interest while aiming for a neutral point of view, belonging to a vocabulary called peacock terms. Also, deleting references or attributing text to a reference which doesn't back it up, is not ok. M URGH   disc.  23:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Attribution note
Some of the content in the Cryoextraction section is from the merged stub Cryoextraction. AgneCheese/Wine 19:23, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

apple ice wine
Hi.

Apparently, there is also ice wine made from apples. I just saw some at a local farm in Massachusetts. Here is the product's website: http://www.stillriverwinery.com/appleicewine.html. I have no idea how widespread this type of wine is. Just a FYI for interested folks. – ishwar  (speak)  00:37, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

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Everything in the article is relevant to the article topic. And I like the tone of page. The article is neutral. And the citations which are the links for Wikipedia pages is supporting the claims in article. My only advice for improvement can be about the citations for paragraphs. It is hard to understand where does the information come from for paragraphs. Asude Guvener (talk) 23:16, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Dr. Loosen's wine
This wine is not from Rhine Palatinate (Rheinpfalz), but from Rheingau. There is even a third wine region in Germany whose name begins with the word Rhine (Rhein), Rheinhessen. Easy to get confused ... 91.64.60.214 (talk) 18:53, 23 May 2024 (UTC)