Talk:Icelandic nationalism

Delete this article?
I think that this article in itself should not exist as such, since there's not very much to say about icelandic nationalism... it's pretty much like any other nationalism, even though it's called "þjóðernishyggja" over there... I suggest we put the icelandic translation for nationalism in wiktionary, and create a different article called "Nationalism in Iceland" and possibly a seperate one, "(The) Organisation of Icelandic nationalists" - "Félag íslenskra þjóðernissinna"... Just an Idea SirIbus 21:04, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Actually, what this article says is not really correct. The idea of one being a "þjóðernissinni" or "patriot" was used long before the WWII, and was a driving force in the arguments of Jón Sigurðsson and other icelandic patriots. This was maybe around 1870 (I don't have that information here right now). So I'll look into rewriting this article soon. --- Ómar

So how to we link here or find this page? Wetman 01:54, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

This article currently looks like a dictionary definition in an Icelandic-English dictionary, not what Wikipedia is about. It needs some information that is specific to Icelandic nationalism, otherwise this article could just as well redirect to Nationalism. --Biekko 14:19, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

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The reason icelandic nationalism is diffrent from nationalism is this sentance in the entry about Nationalism "but the most important is probably now ethnicity". Ethnicity has never been a defining factor, to set icelanders from others, used by the majority of people. There is a group of people who do try to use ethnicity as a strong definer, but they have been pretty easily dismissed. if I remember correctly they tried to get votes to go to Althingi a few years back but failed miserably (thankfully). The defining factors in iceland are: language, culture and values. Some might add origin (as in where you live/where were you raised not where born/what race born of). So.. have Icelandic Nationalism under Nationalism as an extra article might be a good idea?

-- Rósa Dögg Jónsdóttir

Nazism??
I'm Icelandic, and I accept that our textbooks might have censored something this explosive, but where on earth did the Nazi link to "þjóðernishyggja" come from?

The term certainly predates the 20th century, Icelandic nationalism can be said to date back to the 10th century when the country sought to be independent from the countries where the settlers originated.

So, basically, I will accept that there may have been some link between Icelandic nationalism and Nazism in the forties, but I've never heard much about this and would appreciate any information about this connection.

--- Gunnar Jónsson

Nationalism vs. national-socialism
It looks like this article is mixing up the concepts of "nationalism" and "national-socialism" (which is Nazism). In Icelandic these are "þjóðernishyggja" and "þjóðernissósíalismi" respectively. The author seems to be using "nationalism" to mean "þjóðernissósíalismi". Alternatively, if the author (who i'm guessing is Icelandic) is about to deny that "þjóðernishyggja" had anything to do with the Icelanders' struggle for independence in the 19th century, then I must assume that he or she must have slept through all the many history classes touching on the subject.

--- Andrés Böðvarsson

Decrapifying needed
This article really stinks. Þjóðernishyggja is not specifically Icelandic nationalism as indicated by the intro, it just means nationalism. Icelandic nationalism is far older than WWII and has had nothing to do with nazis for ost of its lifetime. --Bjarki 13:31, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

I beliewe I have fixed this article according to the protests here, so it should not be disputed any more.


 * Well then someone re-broke it, because it's still full of shit. If nobody can even attempt to be factual in writing this article, it should be deleted. --4.131.2.140 16:22, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Nationalism, patriotism and Jón Sigurðsson
I altered the text rather heavily to conform to my own ideas about the concepts in question. I also removed Jón Sigurðsson, since he has no place here. He was the schoolbook example of a patriot, but not a nationalist. Feel free to alter or dispute. Cheers Io 16:23, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Another drastic edit
Face it guys, the article was trash as it was, with an abundance of extranious material. I took the liberty of removing it. As the article stands now, it might be a candidate for deletion, but better that than the load of horsemanure, that was there before. Cheers Io 17:22, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Removed Stub and Factuality disputed
After my, admittedly heavy-handed edits, there remains very little to be said about the subject (hence the removal of the Stub-tag) and in what there remains there is very little room for factual debates (hence the other removal). Cheers Io 17:29, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Delete or clean drastically
Would someone with a better knowledge of Wikipedia procedures than I have, put up a tag with either a Vote for deletion or alternatively Article needs major rewriting? All the best Io 17:54, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

This article should be deleted
There is no reason for having a special article on Icelandic nationalism. I vote that this article be deleted in its entirety. -- Palthrow 07:28, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. --Bjarki 20:19, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Icelandic nationalism?
I would argue that there's simply no such thing specifically as Icelandic nationalism any more than any nation of their own hold nationalism. I'd say that whoever authored this article does not fully understand the term nationalism, that Icelanders have in no way, directly or indirectly, invented nationalism on their own. Not any more than any nation in any case. On the subject of whether nationalism existed in Iceland in the 9th or 10th centuries, I say it's simply ridiculous. Running away from an oppressive monarch is no novelty and there is little or none display of feeling apart from other Norwegians, in other sense than geographically and, for a while, somewhat politically. The term nationalism bears little meaning until the French revolution in 1789 and the Icelandic adaptation of the idea is no less a direct consequence than any other nations' rise of nationalism in the 19th century.

I vote for the page's deletion.

Einaraxel 00:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


 * As the revisor (and actually writer) of most of the article, I can assure you that I do understand the word. The article is bad now, but it was truly horrendous before and shouldnd't be there in the first place. But I did try to polish it a bit, and with no modesty at all, I think it is a bit better for it. As it happens, it was also I who brought up the request for deletion. Otherwise I agree with you. Cheers Io 03:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Support deletion of this article. It's redundant -- there's nothing special or remarkable about Icelandic nationalism that warrants an article devoted exclusively to it. -- Palthrow 21:31, 31 May 2007 (UTC)