Talk:Ida Lupino

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Untitled
There is a job to do on the wider Lupino family, many of whom were important in entertainment history. Info on Mark Lupino would be welcome. Cutler 07:51, 18 April 2006 (UTC)


 * There's several on Lupino Lane, although not Mark Lupino (d. 1950, the son of George Lupino and Florence - Florence Valeria - Webster, and husband of Mildred Coles) Ian Cairns 07:57, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Image:Ida Lupino photo.jpg listed for deletion
From my talk page:

"An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Ida Lupino photo.jpg, has been listed at Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Britneysaints (talk) 12:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)"

Ed Fitzgerald t / c 20:21, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Numbers
Editor Kaiwhakahaere has gone through the article and changed instances of numbers written out as words to numbers presented with numerals, quoting MOS as the rationale for the change. Assuming that the editor means MOSNUM, this passage is relevant:

"As a general rule, in the body of an article, single-digit whole numbers from zero to nine are spelled out in words; numbers greater than nine are commonly rendered in numerals, or may be rendered in words if they are expressed in one or two words  (16 or sixteen, 84 or eighty-four, 200 or two hundred, but 3.75, 544, 21 million). (Emphasis added)"

The numbers in question fit the bolded criteria. General copyediting preference is for numbers of this magnitude to be spelled out, lest the text begin to look like a problem in a math textbook.
 * That sounds pretty stupid. It would take someone of inordinate stupidity to really believe that. (The perceived Wikipedia demographic?) But point taken. Yet consulting better authorities might be prudent, no?

The other changes made by this editor as part of this edit were not substantial improvements. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 05:39, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

List of director credits confused with appearances as actress
The article currently states: "Lupino continued acting throughout the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s. Her directing efforts during these years were almost exclusively television productions such as Alfred Hitchcock Presents, Thriller, The Twilight Zone, Have Gun – Will Travel, The Donna Reed Show, Gilligan's Island, 77 Sunset Strip, The Investigators, The Ghost & Mrs. Muir, The Rifleman, The Virginian, Batman, Sam Benedict, Bonanza, The Untouchables, The Fugitive, Columbo, Family Affair, and Bewitched. She guest-starred on The Streets of San Francisco in the second season episode 'Blockade' that aired on January 24, 1974." This list is not accurate - she certainly never directed any episode of Batman, but she did guest star in one episode. It looks very much as though some contributor(s) have added appearances as an actress without noticing (or understanding) that the list was of "directing efforts". I'm not familiar enough with Ida Lupino's career to fix this, but I thought I should note it. 86.7.23.202 (talk) 15:42, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I looked at IMDB and fixed the list, but it needs references to WP:Reliable sources, since WP does not consider IMDB to be a reliable source.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:42, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Ms.Lupino's BATMAN appearance
She and her husband of the time, Howard Duff, appeared in one of the last episodes of the show entitled: "The Entrancing Dr. Cassandra".MARK VENTURE (talk) 05:33, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Ida's 'cited' birthdate
Really? So she was 15 years old when she made Search for Beauty, which opened in Feb. 1934? I don't think so, and if anybody does they need medical help. IMDB, though not 'reliable' by Wiki-standards, says she was 19 when she got the part her 35 year-old mother wanted in Her First Affaire (1932), much more REASONABLE to believe. This really needs REAL research, or a 'disclaimer'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.81.245.80 (talk) 09:38, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

correct title
Shouldn't the correct title be DIRECTRESS?AT Kunene (talk) 07:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


 * No Jackaroodave (talk) 12:34, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * No. Masato.harada (talk) 13:17, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Emphasis of the article
While her work in directing was ground-breaking for women, I think this article does little to highlight her acting career. She had a wide variety of movie roles from major leads to B-movie potboilers. I think this section should be expanded because right now, the emphasis of the article is heavily-weighted towards her directing efforts. 69.125.134.86 (talk) 23:38, 3 August 2013 (UTC) "She was the only female director during that time in the studio-system era, and there weren't many more for many years afterward, so that emphasis is warranted. Plus her directing style was noted for its feminist themes within traditional film genres. I'd certainly love to see more of her acting career highlighted, as she was an excellent performer as well. If you can dig up some references, you might have to use books, please add to the article. --Utilizer (talk) 01:10, 25 February 2014 (UTC)"
 * I've looked this article over after some time, and I'm very glad that it's been expanded so extensively. I do see that there's a bit of "too much" going on here. Some of the great detail in Lupino's producing/directing section should almost go on a page about each individual film, such as "Not Wanted." Also, there are sentences now that are redundant and paragraphs that "jump around" with timeline and thematic emphasis (I'm guessing due to multiple editors).


 * I'm going to go through this and try to focus each paragraph in a manner that's clear and not repetitive. I appreciate all the work that went into this article, which was once very slight--I want it to read well and make its points concise. I moved the photos to illustrate her acting/directing sections. And this is kind of a weird edit for me, but because she became an American citizen and worked the majority of her life in the U.S., I'm using U.S. English spelling throughout. Hope I don't rankle. It's good to see passionate Lupino writers at work here. --Utilizer (talk) 21:39, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Jazz Standard
In 1964, Carla Bley composed a song, Ida Lupino, inspired by IL, that has since become a minor classic, recorded by dozens of musicians. I would think the popularity of this song in jazz circles ought to be a notable fact in her biography, but I will see what you all think. Apart from inspiring the piece, it is not one of her achievements, and it is not exactly an event in "popular culture" either. Perhaps the section AWARDS could be remnamed AWARDS AND TRIBUTES to allow mention of the tune.

http://www.aclassicmovieblog.com/2011/07/tribute-in-song-ida-lupino-by-carla.html

125.255.164.41 (talk) 23:52, 17 October 2013 (UTC)Vonhangman


 * Thanks! I placed it under the newly renamed "Awards and tributes" - it's a notable jazz track. Not a lot of actresses get their own jazz standard, surprisingly. --Utilizer (talk) 21:38, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Editing and cleanup
I'm going through and cleaning up this article to put it in encyclopedic form. It was full of quotes from books and getting to be a sort of book report of her life. Apologies if I step on any writers' toes here, but I'd like to try and make this a clean read and make it about her and her work. Other family members will be taken out unless they directly worked with her. Multiple quotes from the same sources will be edited down to the most pertinent facts about her life. This is an ongoing project that will include editing the footnotes as well, which are currently not in proper form. Thank you to all who have put so many facts and names to her career here--much appreciated. It's now time to organize it and make it flow. --Utilizer (talk) 05:16, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Not Wanted
This was a section under "Themes" for the film Not Wanted. I'm placing it here so I can create an article for that film. It's odd to have one film so heavily written about on Lupino's page. And to have this long of a section for each of her films would be rather bulky on her page as well. It would be better to create some separate articles on her most interesting, groundbreaking films. So that's where I'll place this, soon: --Utilizer (talk) 05:18, 6 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Well, I see my edit was already reverted. I'll create the page for this and place most of this information there. It's too much information on one film on this biographical article. With the detailed reporting here, it belongs on its own page (see the other film articles for Lupino--The Hitch-Hiker is a good example). --Utilizer (talk) 05:38, 6 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I've removed this section once again. Please leave it here until I or you or someone can create a "Not Wanted" film article for it. As for the "Themes" section on Lupino's article--it would be great to broaden this section with brief coverage of her films' topics. A concise overview of her controversial subject matter would make this section more interesting and provide a good historical record of her unique work for that time. --Utilizer (talk) 23:03, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Not Wanted (1949)

Not Wanted is the story of an unwed mother. Marvin Wald wrote the original story and Ida Lupino co-wrote the screenplay with Paul Jarrico. It stars the previously unknown actors Sally Forrest, Keefe Brasselle and Leo Penn. Lupino describes the film this way: "The film tells the story, powerfully, frankly, in all its pathetic detail, told through the eyes and tears of one girl, willful and beautiful. Sally, who wanted so much out of life and who knew so little of it either. The story of Sally is a page taken from life." (Lupino, p83) We are not to "treat her like she has some terrible disease. So she made a mistake.[24]

At a police court in Los Angeles doing research, preparing for a motion picture role, Ms. Lupino was engaged in first-hand observation of a pretty girl in her mid-teens, who was brought in by a policewoman. The girl had been picked up for loitering on the street. The sharp eye of the police office detected she was pregnant. "Later, in the judges’ chamber, the whole national picture was painted for me of the 100,000 girls, half of them between ten and nineteen years old, who bring children into the world outside of wedlock each year."[25]

Lupino visited homes for unwed mothers and saw racial harmony in the homes. She wanted to be realistic and have all races represented in the home, but was cautioned that she must delete that part. She did cut the African-American and Latina roles, but at the end "snuck" in an Asian girl without it being noticed. (Donati, p 151)

William Ziegler (Alfred Hitchcock’s editor) was editor for the film Not Wanted. Ziegler helped Lupino with the shots and she gained valuable knowledge that she used on future films. There are lovely shots of downtown Los Angeles that set the mood as Sally, the lead character, walks along the streets in search of answers to her ‘problem’. The movie was a critical and financial success and was brought to the attention of Eleanor Roosevelt, who was impressed by the film. Eleanor Roosevelt's daughter, Anna, hosted Eleanor’s show from the West Coast and interviewed Lupino about the film. Listeners responded with support of Lupino’s words in support of unwed mothers everywhere from all backgrounds.[26] This was welcome praise in the eyes of a staunch Democrat like Ms. Lupino.

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Ida Lupino Archival Research
I am very interested in doing archival research on Ida Lupino. There are many useful and interesting articles/interviews in Hollywood magazines in the Media History Digital Library on Ida Lupino’s work that I feel would add a great deal to her Wikipedia page. For example, in an interview in Hollywood with Lupino in 1942, she explains her experience with infantile paralysis and its affect on her life: acting, suicidal thoughts, her relationship with her mother. These interviews and articles are integral to her work as both an actress and director and are largely missing from this page. I plan to add more about her personal life through these interviews as well as add information on both the films she starred in and directed by performing archival research.

Here are a few examples:

Interview in Hollywood, “I Planned to Die” by Ida Lupino as told to Dora Albert (November 1942, p. 28) discusses her experience with infantile paralysis and its affect on her life as an actress, suicidal thoughts, her relationship with her mother which brings forth a possible reason for her emphasis on the role of woman/mother,

Motion Picture Production Code Memo about Not Wanted (1949) details the issues with the depiction of unwed motherhood and her coming up against the PCA.

Showmen’s Trade Review (May 14, 1949, p. 32) “Public Seeks Realism in Movies, Says Ida Lupino.” There is no discussion of her directorial style on Lupino’s Wikipedia page. This clearly states her intent on producing films rooted in realism.

The Hollywood Reporter (April 28, 1934) Lupino in Stage Lead for the Pursuit of Happiness, there is no talk of her work as a stage actress on her Wikipedia page.

Biographies of Paramount Players and Directors 1936-1937 (p. 73-74). Paramount Player biography on Lupino that discusses her family history in more depth.

Modern Screen: How to Stay in Style (December 1936-November 1937, p. 38-39). Discusses the fact that Lupino had to change her appearance in order to get roles after being rejected for Alice in Wonderland.

Cecrais (talk) 00:08, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Mr. Adams and Eve
Ida Lupino and her husband, actor Howard Duff, starred together in the late 1950s sitcom called Mr. Adams and Eve. The played a movie star couple as more comedic situations spun around them.

I find it a little baffling that this series does not have its own page here on Wikipedia. I realize that it may not have been a big hit, but it pivotal in Lupino and Duff's career, and most especially their marriage. It was often thought of as a way of keeping the feuding real-life couple from divorcing.

Can something be done to make a Mr. Adams and Eve page here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.189.161.163 (talk) 02:01, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Ida vs. Rita
1949 Not Wanted and Never Fear starred Rita Lupino, not her sister Ida. — 2A01:CB08:890E:C600:FDF6:4C0A:9177:3846 (talk) 18:46, 21 November 2021 (UTC) ...Oops... Ida directed those films. Apologies. — 2A01:CB08:890E:C600:FDF6:4C0A:9177:3846 (talk) 18:59, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Peer Review
Great use of headings and subheadings. Information seems neutral, balanced, and does not overpower other aspects of the article when not necessary. Just looking at the lead of the article I know that it will provide an overview and the highlights of Ida Lupino’s life. the article succeeds in that. There is more context involving her career, but her career is what made her famous so the depth here is necessary, I think. As far as sources, they all seem like they came from reputable places, but I would double check on any that are derived from a news or magazine site (for example, source 58 from The Baltimore Sun and 65 from Newspapers.com). Great work so far! This article is very informational and has great coverage!

Menaqui (talk) 03:18, 11 December 2021 (UTC)Menaqui

Too many photos
There are now many randomly placed photos throughout the article, although some do follow a time-frame of her life. I removed a cheerful P.R. shot in the section about her recovery from polio. And I will probably be removing a few more that don't illustrate their sections, or provide a window into her life and career, mainly the Hollywood P.R. shots. I appreciate all the views of Lupino, but too many photos can detract in this format. If there are articles on particular films/TV shows depicted, please move those photos to those articles. Thanks much. --Utilizer (talk) 19:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

TV credit
Ida Lupino appeared in an episode of The Wild Wild West in 1966; it was titled The Night Of The Big Blast, & she played Dr. Faustina. (I just watched it.) 65.130.64.227 (talk) 00:10, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Rita Lupino birth and death dates
I have restored the birth and death details for Rita Lupino, undoing the previous amendment by User:Teblick. Ida’s sister Rita’s birth details have been included in this article since 2010, and hence are long standing. ”MOS:BIRTHDATE birth and death details are not included after a name except in a case of special contextual relevance” refers to the subject of an article, not to another individual mentioned. Rita does not have a WP article, whereas the other Lupino family members mentioned have articles which include their dates. She was of a similar age to Ida and close to her, and also pursued a Hollywood acting career, and her details should be included here otherwise they will be lost.Masato.harada (talk) 09:37, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I appreciate 's reasons for wanting to include the years of Rita Lupino's birth and death. The reasoning in the last two sentences of the post sounds like a good justification for "case of special contextual relevance" as mentioned in MOS:BIRTHDATE. However, I do not agree that the sentence quoted from MOS:BIRTHDATE "refers to the subject of an article, not to another individual mentioned."
 * Please note that the quoted sentence has "a name" (using the indefinite article). If it had "the name", I think that expression would clearly refer to the name of the subject of the article. In its current wording, however, I think limiting the reference to the subject of the article is too strict an interpretation of the sentence. Eddie Blick (talk) 19:32, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Masato.harada (talk) 08:50, 25 January 2023 (UTC)