Talk:Ida Stover Eisenhower

Notability
Is she really notable? I don't know exactly where to cite, but I don't think you can achieve notability by being the relative of someone notable.--Thomas.macmillan 23:48, 21 October 2006 (UTC)page.
 * I do. plus, its verified information. We want to big the biggest encyclopedia of earth, so this is a good thing to have in it. &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace; font-size: normal&quot;&gt;&lt;font style=&quot;border: solid 1px orange; background-color:#991199&quot; color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&#91;&#91;User:Kitia&#124;Kitia&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;small&gt; — &lt;font color=&quot;#FF4F00&quot;&gt;&#91;&#91;User talk:Kitia&#124;talk]]&lt;/font&gt; &#124; &lt;font color=&quot;#FF4F00&quot;&gt;&#91;&#91;Special:contributions/Kitia&#124;contrib]]&lt;/font&gt; &#124; &lt;font color=&quot;#CD00CD&quot;&gt; 16:38, 24 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 00:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * We don't want to incclude non-notable people on Wikipedia. Her only claim to fame is being Eisenhower's mother. Her claim to be a lifelong femnist is not in itself notable.--Thomas.macmillan 16:10, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * To create an enyclopedia, we have to cover topics on all subjects. And if Eisenhower was the president, than she got a lot of media attention. &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace; font-size: normal&quot;&gt;&lt;font style=&quot;border: solid 1px orange; background-color:#991199&quot; color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&#91;&#91;User:Kitia&#124;Kitia&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;small&gt; — &lt;font color=&quot;#FF4F00&quot;&gt;&#91;&#91;User talk:Kitia&#124;talk]]&lt;/font&gt; &#124; &lt;font color=&quot;#FF4F00&quot;&gt;&#91;&#91;Special:contributions/Kitia&#124;contrib]]&lt;/font&gt; &#124; &lt;font color=&quot;#CD00CD&quot;&gt; 16:38, 24 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 16:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)


 * If she is the mother of a U.S. President, she is certainly a notable entry for Wikipedia as she was a force in the shaping of a significant politician and military leader of the United States. It provides substantial context for why Dwight Eisenhower himself, was who he was and what he stood for.  To say that she was not notable is to dismiss the influence of women in general and specifically the impact of a woman that was in the public eye as a parent of a very notable American.  She should not be removed.  Stevenmitchell 03:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Interracial descent?
I have no quarrel with the fact if it's supported by reliable sources, but the only source given in this article doesn't mention it. It doesn't even mention what races she was. Does anyone know of a reliable source? -- Charlene 10:52, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * This question of presidents with Black heritage was discussed again in 2008, with the election of Obama. Eisenhower specifically, Snopes covers pretty well:
 * The historical accounts appear to be mostly speculative. However, I can tell you from looking at this picture, there's good reason for that speculation. DAVilla (talk) 08:22, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

I just looked up the famely tree of the President and found the name John Jacob Link as first desendent from the mother side comming from Germany than i found this

http://www.linkreunion.org/

the whole famely history

The Descendants of John Jacob Link, first organized as "The Link Reunion" in 1952, meets annually in August at Uvilla, West Virginia. The organization has chosen to honor its immigrant ancestor, John Jacob Link, by holding its annual reunion on the fourth Sunday of August - the Sunday closest to the anniversary of the landing of John Jacob Link and his family in America, on August 28, 1733.

Descendants of John Jacob Link now number well into the thousands and their history is entwined with that of many American families, including the Stoner, Crowell, Demory, Remsberg, Thraves, Ropp, Boyer, Fuchs (Fox), Beard (Bart), Miller, Filler, Hanger, Wayland, Osbourn, Hendricks, Reinhart, Stone, Burrier, Root, Houff, Stover, Turner, LaGrange, Smith, Kneiple, Shank, Grove, Cale, Palmer, Lewis, Allen, Woodward, Burnett, McChesney, Baylor, Freer, Garrett, Girdner, Creager, Burckhardt, Wine, Sheets, and Eisenhower families. These families have carried with them strengths and traditions that have enabled them to make numerous contributions to the quality of American life across a wide spectrum of trades and professions. Links of note include President Dwight D. Eisenhower, whose grandmother was Elizabeth Link Stover of Augusta County, Virginia; O. Winston Link, the acclaimed railroad photographer; and Edwin Albert Link, inventor of the Link Trainer, used for aviator training.

So the mother side of the President has quite a wide range of leaves on the famely tree.

more down on this site

Members of the Flinspach family served as godparents for John Jacob Link and his German-born children. The Flinspach web site contains links to pictures of St. Lorenz Protestant Church in Grossgartach, and to the web site of Leingarten, Germany. Around 1970, the municipalities of Grossgartach and Schluchtern were merged to form the city of Leingarten

Leingarten is in northern Baden-Württemberg not so far away from Heilbronn or Heidelberg

--88.235.62.124 (talk) 18:35, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Title
Is Eisenhower's mother generally referred to in sources by her maiden name? Did she, in fact, continue to use her maiden name after marriage? If neither, shouldn't this article be titled "Ida Eisenhower" or something similar? Rklear (talk) 15:58, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * From my searches on the Internet, she's primarily referred to in English-language reliable sources as "Ida Stover Eisenhower", and sometimes "Ida Eisenhower" or "Ida Elizabeth Stover Eisenhower". Wikipedia's article title appears to be an exception in emphasizing her maiden name alone. Per WP:UCN, I'm in agreement that the article title should be the name most commonly used. —ADavidB 20:09, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and moved the article to "Ida Stover Eisenhower". Google hits, at least, show far more references to her married than her maiden name, and this combination seems to be more common than plain "Ida Eisenhower", which is an existing redirect. Rklear (talk) 13:20, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Someone fix this please?
[Sorry about the ugly intrusion into the article, but it's no longer the case that a note on the talk page will always be picked up and acted on, and I've often found that the only way to get a response is to insert an untidy note in the article, so that someone will follow it up in order to tell me off; but at least the thing gets NOTICED.]

''She lived with her maternal grandparents, William Link and Esther Schindler Link, on their farm until William's death in 1879, and then with her maternal uncle and aunt, William J. Link and Susan Cook Link, on their farm until age twenty-one whereupon she joined two of her brothers Stover who had moved to Kansas. Ida was five years old when her mother died; she was sent to live with her maternal grandparents, then with maternal uncle and aunt, and on turning twenty-one years of age to her elder brothers in Kansas, as described in the preceding sentence. They did not believe girls should be educated, and instead pushed her to memorize the Bible. When Ida was ready to go to high school, she was told that she couldn't, so she ran away.''

What an abortion of a paragraph! ...as described in the preceding sentence&mdash;this is a phrase that should never appear anywhere. Redo the paragraph without the repetitions. I started to do this, but was defeated by the contradictions it involved. When she was 21 to live with her brothers, who wouldn't let her go to high school. And then the next paragraph tells us she graduated high school at 19. If you have the sources, sort it out! Koro Neil (talk) 01:22, 1 September 2015 (UTC)


 * The duplication and poor sentence structure are corrected. —ADavidB 00:59, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Bible Students and Jehovah’s Witnesses
From the article: In the 1890s, Eisenhower left the River Brethren Christian group, and joined the International Bible Students, which would evolve into what is now known as Jehovah's Witnesses. This has several issues. The Bible Student movement did not only evolve into the Jehovah’s Witnesses, but also into several other groups. The text “International Bible Students” links to a section in Bible Student movement for the International Bible Student Association, but that article indicates this affiliation was used only from 1910, so Ida Stover Eisenhower can’t have joined it in the 1890’s. I can’t tell whether she actually went on to be a Jehovah’s Witness, or a member of one of the other Bible Student groups, or none of the above. It is made more difficult because a lot of books and articles anachronistically refer to all of the earlier Bible Student groups as Jehovah’s Witnesses since that name is more familiar today. Can this be clarified here? —Amble (talk) 20:47, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Always Poor or Suitable Home?
There seems to be a discrepancy between this article and the article for Dwight D. Eisenhower. Here it states the President's father "was a college-educated engineer but had trouble making a living and the family was always poor." In Dwight's article it says that "By 1898, the parents made a decent living and provided a suitable home for their large family." "always poor" and "a suitable home" seem to be contradictory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xapie128 (talk • contribs) 12:29, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Interestingly, the source identified for both statements is the same book. Perhaps someone with access to Stephen Ambrose's 1983 Eisenhower: Soldier, General of the Army, President-Elect (1893–1952) can verify the content and provided an update or explanation. —ADavidB 12:43, 6 June 2019 (UTC)