Talk:Ida of Formbach-Ratelnberg

Family Tree
The family tree of Ida is of another person. You may remove it or create the right one. Thank you, Aris de Methymna (talk) 12:54, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey! I'm not very familiar with the subject of this article, but if you're able to information about why you know it's wrong, and possibly even a replacement tree, that would help us greatly to get it fixed quickly. :) TheDragonFire (talk) 13:32, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * That family tree was added by several years ago so I'm pinging her for her input.  It does appear, however, that the family tree actually shows the ancestry of Leszek the White, a great-great grandson of Ida.  I would suggest removing it since there's very little in the article about Ida's ancestry but Mychele Trempetich may have a better idea.  She is still apparently active in these matters.  Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 14:53, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Ancestry and Parentage
I'm unclear as to the basis upon which Ida's purported parentage in this article rests. Formbach and Cham were not at all the same lineages, Ratpoto IV of Cham is not known to have had any children by this name, and the only source I'm aware of that discusses her paternity, Europäische Stammtafeln, identifies her as the daughter of Thiemo (Dietmar) II of Formbach. Additionally, Charles Crawley has identified a serious problem with the co-identity of Henry Jasomirgott's mother Ida and the daughter of Thiemo II of Formbach, namely the latter's death in 1040, making her at least ~20 years older than Leopold II, which, as Crawley notes, renders this identification highly improbable.--Masque (talk) 20:25, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks like the source of the assignment is Wegener. However, it's pure speculation. I think there needs to be some discussion of this in the article.--Masque (talk) 22:28, 25 March 2019 (UTC)