Talk:Identity (2003 film)

Trivia - gallons of water
A recent addition to the trivia section states "Since much of the film takes place during a rainstorm, several gallons of water were used to recreate it." This doesn't sound like very much and I couldn't find any source stating amounts on google. A minor issue but I wonder if anyone can verify it? AlyM 09:42, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Probably not true; I hear that films rarely use water for rain as it does not photograph well. Also, several gallons of water could mean four. 67.142.130.16 00:17, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I live in South florida, which was the location for the movie "The Crew" which starrted Burt Reynolds, Richard Dreyfus, Dan Hedaya, and Seymour Cassel.  They filmed at the old Deli "Wolfie's Rascal House," and for a fake rain scene, they had a tall cherry-picker, AKA "Lift," and they ran a spray hose up to the top of the cherry-picker, where somebody would stand and turn the water on and off.     Marc S., Dania Fl  206.192.35.125 (talk) 12:40, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Special features shows it's real water, from rain trees. Good discussion of how they created that effect on the DVD for anyone interested.

okay, so what is with the twist and everything?someone write it please.


 * Rent the movie and watch it to find out, it's worth it.

I've written the twist. Don't read it til you've seen the movie. Kingal86 11:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but that twist is debateable and there are a few other theories out there. Just read http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0309698/board/flat/6197968 to see for yourself


 * Check out the DVD commentary. Except from some pick up shots, the entire movie was filmed on a soundstage using water. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.115.35.36 (talk) 20:25, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

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metaphorical?
As I am not familiar with conditions in Nevada, I am wondering whether rain pouring for hours is a metaphor? I know, that rainfall can cause flood waves even in deserts, but these incidents are to happen very prompt and require certain topographical premises. Any experts on this subject?

Serial Killer?
Is Malcolm Rivers a serial killer? He killed many people on his birthday, May 10th, in an apartment complex. I think that is considered a mass murderer. Serial killers are defined as killing more than three people over a period of time and murders on an individual basis. A mass murderer kills a group of people all at once. Azn Clayjar (talk) 23:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe he killed other people at other times also. All Hallow&#39;s Wraith (talk) 10:33, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

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Character Names
A listing of the characters' full names pointlessly gives away a plot twist. Before you refer me to the fact that Wikipedia necessarily contains spoilers, I assure you that I understand this rule, but I also understand that the common sense purpose for such spoilers is to discuss the significance of the "spoiled" details. While inclusion of the full names may ostensibly seem to be in the spirit of completeness, full names of most of the characters are mentioned only rarely -- sometimes only once -- and are therefore too trivial to provide encyclopedic value. I would have no objection if an editor wished to list the full names along with commentary on their cultural, narrative, or otherwise encyclopedic significance, but without such commentary, the listing is trivial and more harmful than informative. Minaker (talk) 03:51, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Besides, it says plainly in the plot that they're named after states, and even Ed mentions each last name toward the end of the film. Brand Eks (talk) 22:39, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Article cleanup
I made several changes to the article, and I decided to detail them here rather than in the edit summary. There are some plot corrections and clarifications, some things in the wrong order chronologically and just some general cleanup. If the reasons for any changes are unclear please let me know. And yes, I did end up lengthening the plot description a bit, but I tried to be as brief as I could without ignoring relevant points.

CleverTitania (talk) 07:42, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) The wording about the reverse chronology filming suggested this takes place specifically over the first several scenes. But the actual opening scenes of the film are all Dr. Malick and the setup of Malcolm's hearing, which do not use the structure at all. So I tried to reword it to better explain the usage.
 * 2) The section about the notebook was incorrectly worded. It is never stated the Malick found the notebook, but that it was found mis-filed in the state's evidence. Malick reviewing the journal during the opening credits may have given someone the mistaken idea that he 'found it'.
 * 3) I took out Timmy being mute. He is stated to be traumatized and not speak much, but there is no indication he is actually mute. And obviously he speaks at the end of the film.
 * 4) I changed Ginny's last name to the one shown on her ID in the film, which is Ginny Virginia. I also corrected Rhodes character description to include who he actually is, not just who is masquerading as.
 * 5) A few places stated or implied that there are 10 characters at the hotel, probably because of the Agatha Christie reference, but there are actually 11; 10 guests plus Larry, who is obviously as much one of the personalities as the others. I corrected those.
 * 6) I have removed the reference to "Vincent Taylor Malcolm Rivers" from the Cast list. I cannot find any legitimate sources that provide this character name. Google results showing that name all appear to be copied from this Wikipedia article. And I personally just checked the half dozen times Malcolm's name is shown on hospital records and news articles, in the opening credits, as well as checking the name the judge uses when opening the hearing. I also looked over the original screenplay. The only name that is ever used for this character is "Malcolm Rivers." If someone has a valid source for the other name, obviously it can be changed back. Vincent and Taylor were both added back in 2013, by two different IP addresses, neither of which has other legitimate edits, so I'm guessing it was put in either via vandalism or someone quoting a dubious source, and no one caught it at the time.
 * 7) I am also removing both references to serial killers, because neither fit the plot line. Rhodes states that Maine was convicted of multiple homicides, he never claims that he is a serial killer. When Paris finds their files, the primary charge of Maine's file isn't visible (though Rhodes' says double-homicide). And in the opening credits every reference to Malcolm or his crimes calls him a mass murderer. I get that it's rational to assume that he's killed before the incident at the apartment building, but nothing in the actual film refers to him as a serial killer, only a mass murderer. As such, I also removed the serial killer categories attached to the article.
 * 1) A few places stated or implied that there are 10 characters at the hotel, probably because of the Agatha Christie reference, but there are actually 11; 10 guests plus Larry, who is obviously as much one of the personalities as the others. I corrected those.
 * 2) I have removed the reference to "Vincent Taylor Malcolm Rivers" from the Cast list. I cannot find any legitimate sources that provide this character name. Google results showing that name all appear to be copied from this Wikipedia article. And I personally just checked the half dozen times Malcolm's name is shown on hospital records and news articles, in the opening credits, as well as checking the name the judge uses when opening the hearing. I also looked over the original screenplay. The only name that is ever used for this character is "Malcolm Rivers." If someone has a valid source for the other name, obviously it can be changed back. Vincent and Taylor were both added back in 2013, by two different IP addresses, neither of which has other legitimate edits, so I'm guessing it was put in either via vandalism or someone quoting a dubious source, and no one caught it at the time.
 * 3) I am also removing both references to serial killers, because neither fit the plot line. Rhodes states that Maine was convicted of multiple homicides, he never claims that he is a serial killer. When Paris finds their files, the primary charge of Maine's file isn't visible (though Rhodes' says double-homicide). And in the opening credits every reference to Malcolm or his crimes calls him a mass murderer. I get that it's rational to assume that he's killed before the incident at the apartment building, but nothing in the actual film refers to him as a serial killer, only a mass murderer. As such, I also removed the serial killer categories attached to the article.
 * 1) I have removed the reference to "Vincent Taylor Malcolm Rivers" from the Cast list. I cannot find any legitimate sources that provide this character name. Google results showing that name all appear to be copied from this Wikipedia article. And I personally just checked the half dozen times Malcolm's name is shown on hospital records and news articles, in the opening credits, as well as checking the name the judge uses when opening the hearing. I also looked over the original screenplay. The only name that is ever used for this character is "Malcolm Rivers." If someone has a valid source for the other name, obviously it can be changed back. Vincent and Taylor were both added back in 2013, by two different IP addresses, neither of which has other legitimate edits, so I'm guessing it was put in either via vandalism or someone quoting a dubious source, and no one caught it at the time.
 * 2) I am also removing both references to serial killers, because neither fit the plot line. Rhodes states that Maine was convicted of multiple homicides, he never claims that he is a serial killer. When Paris finds their files, the primary charge of Maine's file isn't visible (though Rhodes' says double-homicide). And in the opening credits every reference to Malcolm or his crimes calls him a mass murderer. I get that it's rational to assume that he's killed before the incident at the apartment building, but nothing in the actual film refers to him as a serial killer, only a mass murderer. As such, I also removed the serial killer categories attached to the article.
 * 1) I am also removing both references to serial killers, because neither fit the plot line. Rhodes states that Maine was convicted of multiple homicides, he never claims that he is a serial killer. When Paris finds their files, the primary charge of Maine's file isn't visible (though Rhodes' says double-homicide). And in the opening credits every reference to Malcolm or his crimes calls him a mass murderer. I get that it's rational to assume that he's killed before the incident at the apartment building, but nothing in the actual film refers to him as a serial killer, only a mass murderer. As such, I also removed the serial killer categories attached to the article.