Talk:Identity management/Archive 1

capitalization
Why aren't both words of the page capitalized? An anchor can always be laid for "Identity management". These should definitely be capitalized, especially given the appearance of the concept in the IdM abbreviation/acronym... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Authun (talk • contribs) 14:22, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I believe this issue is addressed by Manual of Style (capital letters). Dancter (talk) 17:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Merge from Identity and Access Management
Identity and Access Management was a redirect from a page move from a previous name of this article. On March 6 an anon started both that article as well as this one and now Identity and Access Management has developed into a fork that needs to be merged back into here. &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 04:06, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The article was entirely copied from several sources and has been deleted. There's now a redirect in its place. See Copyright problems/2008 November 20. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

ESSO?
On the Esso page, it says:

"This article is about the trade name. For The acronym ESSO, see Identity management."

So I come here out of interest... no ESSO. Where is it? 86.136.250.167 02:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

ESSO, or sometimes eSSO, is an acronym for "Enterprise Single Sign-on," in which a user whose login or "sign-on" session with a given system has been suitably authenticated can be transparently granted a corresponding identity in sessions with various other systems. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.34.170.129 (talk) 22:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Separating Identity Management and Identity Management Systems
Such a separation (creating the term: identity management system) would help to separate the processes from the tools, and will therefore facilitate the understanding of the concepts. Let me know if you have any objection, and I will proceed with this change soon. Thanks. --Nabeth (talk) 23:35, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Buzzwords
As always, technical articles require some preparedness of the reader. It is a nuisance, to claim for lesser usage of technical language in such articles. The complaining reader may work on the problem and shall contribute to improve the referencing.Wireless friend (talk) 08:26, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Entities
I see the concept of Entity has been included as being separate from Identity. An explanation for this is probably in order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.149.31.232 (talk) 10:33, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Terminology
The term, "Identity Management," is often mistakenly interchanged with the specific solution classes that fall under the Identity Management category. For example, it is not uncommon to hear people say things like, "We need Identity Management so that our users can reset their own passwords". This supposes that Identity Management is synonymous with Self-Service Password Reset. You may also hear people say things like, "If only we had Single Sign-On, we would be able to disable all of an ex-employee's accounts simultaneously when s/he is terminated". This seems to incorrectly assume that Single Sign-On also includes Central Deprovisioning and a central Identity Repository. While combinations of Identity Management solutions are often (and necessarily) deployed together, one does not necessarily embed the capabilities of the other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.1.158.7 (talk • contribs) 18:20, 8 December 2004

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I'm finding the abbreviation IM not as often used as IdM, plus, there is a confusion with Instant Messaging. Rather than change it though, I wanted to get others' impressions. BWatkins 22:36, 15 October 2005 (UTC) IdAM is also frequently used. I do not see any real value in using an abbreviation at all in the article. Using the full phrase identity management does not impose any serious readability cost and maintains clarity throughout Ric Phillips (talk) 04:40, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I noticed this also when implementing identity management projects circa 2006. Returning to this area again very recently, I notice that the fashion now seems to use the simple acronym "IM." - 207.34.170.129 (talk) 22:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

- I'm hearing this term more and more often in social computing to refer to the complexities of managing multiple identities socially--like work vs home vs religious vs family etc, and how these overlap and mingle online. I wonder if there needs to be a disambig? --Andicat 13:03, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I personally feel that the article's August 17th, 2006 revision has clouded the definition of the concept. The newly presented views hardly do IdM justice, neither in coherence nor in completeness. Additionally, the author of the new installment neglected to cite sources for his/her views. Researching the Identity Management scene quite a lot myself, I will look into changing this soon.

Regards, NGNeer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.90.242.50 (talk • contribs) 11:19, 29 August 2006

I am also into the evaluation of Identity Management solutions. As per my understanding, The name "Identity management" typically means the right person having access to which he is permitted to. This infers the prevention of identities being stolen,typically happenning through password sharing. Further, right implementation of identity increases the accountability with respect to the jobs. The employee self service option may merely be treated as an added feature to the identity management solutions available in the market.

Thanks, Sainath —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sainathb (talk • contribs) 11:24, 21 September 2006

Identity Management is not to be confused by Access Management. Although the two are often strongly intertwined, Identity Management is literally about the management of identities.

This distinction is of importance in particular in case of federated identity management: the identity is established and authenticated by one party after which access rights are attached to it by other parties. This may happen in the context of e-business. National identity management, where the government issues identity documents to citizens who then can use these to het access rights to employers or financial institutions, is classic pre-electronic example of federated identity management. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elisabeth de Leeuw (talk • contribs) 09:51, 23 October 2006

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I think that I would prefer to use Identity and Access Management instead of just Identity Management. Google statistics show that it is the terminology the most used by Google end-users...

Regards, Vince —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.92.80.146 (talk • contribs) 22:00, 12 December 2006

Identity, Access and Session

It would help to break discussion of identity and access management into three discreet parts:

1. Identity

2. Access

3. Session

Identity is the electric persona that an individual is using in the online world. This can be pure fantasy or anonymous or move toward being grounded on real individual information. Identity should come with a level of vetting where higher levels of verifiable information could smooth electronic engagement.

Access is the process of using an Identity to interact with the online world. It is the provision of an Identity and some additional information like a password to get specific access to some part of the online world.

Session is the currently established interaction based on an Identity and an Access.

Keeping these as separate concepts allows for meaningful discussion on building up an identity and providing characteristics to it that can be passed around and reused rather then having to re-establish an identity with each interaction.

Cheers,

Rich

Richwolverton (talk) 18:15, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Style and introduction.
The opening sentence is convoluted and indirect.

Identity management (IdM) describes the management of individual identifiers, their authentication, authorization[1], and privileges within or across system and enterprise boundaries[2] with the goal of increasing security and productivity while decreasing cost, downtime, and repetitive tasks.[3]

I suggest opening with a direct definition and adding a separate section on the "goals" or "objectives" of identity management. This sentence is trying to tie together too many concepts. Ric Phillips (talk) 04:47, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

So many problems with this article!
I actually know a lot about identity management and related topics but I don't know where to start editing this, there's so much extremely dated information and information that is irrelevant or doesn't make sense. It would be easier to start from scratch but I can't do that. I'll do my best! StewartNetAddict (talk) 03:14, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I agree. It is outdated. The expression is poor. And the structure could be better. I too find it hard to contribute improvements without completely rewriting it. Ric Phillips (talk) 04:50, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

History changed to Definition
It's hard to think of a more technical topic written about in a more incoherent manner. I changed History to Definition because the section is full of explanations about what Identity Management is rather than how it came to be. A.S. Williams (talk) 16:30, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Pure Identity Management
Identity Management is often about the identities only - picture the FBI database of people. It is not used for signon or access control. It IS Identity Management. I think it is important to bring out this definition as well as those that blend IdM with access management or access control.

Jim 16:23, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

This page is more about Corporate Employee Identity Authentication Management than about general identity management of entities, which may not even be persons. For example, cars can have an identity by VIN, books by ISBN or LOC number, etc. Such object entities may need to have their identities managed as well in various online systems, even though such entities would not be involved in authentication since they are not associated with users. Even entities that are associated with users, such as organizations, might have identities managed without authentication in certain systems; e.g., a listing of all non-profit charities in a country might identify the organization by a tax-exempt identifier that would be managed by a service. Because this page is as written specifically concerned with Corporate Employee Identity Authentication Management instead of general identity management, it should be renamed and clarified.

70.183.221.50 (talk) 17:15, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

The problem with this article
It's just a copy of that book with some words changed. Here--89.251.240.34 (talk) 12:16, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

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The state of the article
This article still needs more work and a lot more citations but it is in better shape and it is on its way so I took some of the old warnings off (I left the citation one because that is still accurate) but mad eno other changes. I iwll come in and add some citations when i have a little more bandwidth.Alex Jackl (talk) 20:02, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Still don't have enough bandwidth but added two references and removed "needs citations" tag.  If someone has time it would be good to add some content on establishing uniqueness, and explicitly calling out authorization versus access versus authentication.  If I get some space I will try to get to that.  Alex Jackl (talk) 14:31, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

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Merging articles
I just saw the note to merge this article with Identity-management_system. I think this is a great idea but I don't think I can do it myself given my load at work right now. Does anyone want to work with me over the next few weeks to do that? Alex Jackl (talk) 14:21, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Identity Management System
I see no one has moved on this - it has been a busy year! Unless anyone objects I am going to start moving any unique content form Identity-management-system over to this article and then redirect  that name to here. Let me know if someone thinks that is not a good idea. Alex Jackl (talk) 14:58, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Klbrain (talk) 15:24, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Awesome! Thank you Klbrain! Alex Jackl (talk) 21:13, 17 January 2022 (UTC)