Talk:Iggy Pop/Archive 1

Image
He's an instantly recognizable character, but his appearence is not at all discussed in this article. Perhaps note: the long hair, very very muscular body? 67.85.178.227 06:38, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Think the pictures shown cover that already. If one wants to know what he looks like, they can look at the pictures here... I notice most other bio articles rarely actually mention the subject's physical appearance unless a picture isn't avaialable. 75.70.123.215 05:09, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Name
Britannica and every rock encyclopaedia I've ever read give his name as James JEWEL Osterberg. Where are you guys getting "NEWELL" from? Vince In Milan 11:49, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Surely it's "Jewell", hence the tribute song "Little JImmy Jewel"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.158.87 (talk) 19:58, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

It's Newell. I've been doing http://iggypop.org for 10 yrs. The question pops up perennially. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.37.161 (talk) 19:08, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I think the song referred to here is "Little Johnny Jewel" by Television. I also believe Pop's father (Pop Pop? ;) ) was named James Newell Osterberg. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.138.35 (talk) 12:28, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

O'keefe Remark
I just had to modify the reference to Johnny O'Keefe's seminal "Real Wild Child" although O'Keefe popularized the song in Australia he did not write it.-the original was by "IVAN" which was former Crickets minus Buddy Holly. Astrocloud 05:34, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry if this comes over as abrupt but don't modify things if you don't know what you are talking about. The Wild One (which is obviously the basis for Real Wild Child) has a writing credit of "Dave Owens - John Greenan - Johnny O'Keefe" (sometimes Tony Withers is credited but actually had no involvement). IVAN recorded the song after the Crickets heard the O'Keefe version while on tour. See http://www.poparchives.com.au/feature.php?id=132 and others for details. I'm changing it back. Tigerman2005 (talk) 00:35, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Older Comments
Has anyone actually read this article all the way through? It is in dire need of clean up and re-organization.

Seems to me the speech mentionned was actually from the CBC's "90 Minutes Live" program hosted by Peter Gzowski (original broadcast date March 11th 1977)

--- E.g. neither "Lust for life" nor "The Passenger" were written specifically for the Trainspotting soundtrack but years before and in Lust's case not even by Iggy himself... --Ft. Jack Hackett 18:32, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

The previous version of the article transribed the interview with Iggy saying "I don't know if Johnny rots". After listening to this interview twice I am convinced that this is wrong... Iggy clearly pronounces 'Rotten' and not rots...

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The article says: "In 2003, having enjoyed working with Ron and Scott Asheton on Skull Ring, Iggy reformed the Stooges with bassist Mike Watt (formerly of Social Distortion) . . ."

Isn't Mike Watt a founding member (and former member) of the Minutemen (as well as a solo artist), but not a former member of Social Distortion?

A quick glance at the Wikipedia Social Distortion article doesn't mention Mr Watt as a member of that orchestra. Also, I listened to lots of Minutemen songs, and the notes say the bass player was Mike Watt.

But hey I've been wrong before. ..

cheers, and may God bless you,Iggy Pop, and all the fans.

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The Social Distortion thing was an egregious mistake that I corrected.

Also, I deleted the small entry of Skull Ring as an album with "Various Artists" since it stated that it was also a solo album and also listed it as a solo album. Seemed really redundant and unecessary.

he didn't adampt his name to iggy stooge that's what Danny Fields put on the first album iggy didn't want to be called that

Please sign your comments with four tildes (~)BauerPower 18:09, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I can't find what and where that refers to. I ASSUME that what is being said above is that someone had included "Iggy Stooge" but someone else removed that because Iggy didn't wish to be called that? Whether Iggy liked it or not, he WAS called Iggy Stooge and known as that for years, both by fans and the press. This is an encyclopedia, not a piece about what a star intended. It should be mentioned somewhere in that article that Iggy was called that, even if the line says "by mistake" or "against his wishes" or whatever. But I don't wish to get into some editing conflict, if this has already unsuccessfully been tried before. IanHistor 23:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

RCA Test Presiing Info wanted
Hi there! Can anyone help me? I have an original RCA test pressing LP with the Catalogue Number PL 12275. It has IGGY POP scribed on the 'run-off' area of the record (both sides). I would like to know if the title the album was released under or if it was released at all. Thanx. Steve B. Please feel free to e-mail s.w.bennett@btinternet.com.

Jewish?
Hi there,

Is Iggy Pop Jewish?

The article about him in the Hebrew Wikipedia says that he's Jewish, which seemed rather dubious to me, so i googled it and there's only one place that affirms it and it's Jew Watch which is not very trustworthy.

Any help?--Amir E. Aharoni 13:03, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * He isn't Jewish at all. However, does anyone have a source that says he's Polish? The IMDB definitely is not reliable Mad Jack 17:28, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * And here is your answer. Thanks to this book bio - Iggy Pop is Irish and English on his father's side (his father was adopted by a Swedish-American family, hence the name) and Danish and Norwegian on his mother's. Cheers... Mad Jack 17:35, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * So what's the answer? You can be Swedish and Jewish at the same time you know... 64.173.240.130 21:19, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

His father's adoptive parents were swedish-american. He isn't Jewish.

Iggy Pop was briefly married to a Jewish woman in the late '60s. He recounts the story of their relationship in his memoir, I Need More. Iggy's wife came from a fairly wealthy family, and he jokes in the book that their marriage temporarily made him a "Jewish prince". I wonder if this is where the rumor about Iggy being Jewish got started? CKarnstein 02:47, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Velvet Goldmine connection
"Although Pop had nothing to do with the movie, Ewan McGregor's sexually ambiguous, drug-fuelled character in Velvet Goldmine is considered by most critics to be modelled on him"

I think that needs to be removed, since the vast majority of critics claim that the character is based on David Bowie (which seems even more obvious since Velvet Goldmine is the title of a Ziggy-era Bowie song).

The Velvet Goldmine page says many think it is 'loosely' based on Iggy. BauerPower 18:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I think the first poster is confusing Ewan McGregor's character with the main character, played by Jonathan Rhys Mayer as a Bowie-type glam star. McGregor's character seems to be a conflation of Iggy Pop (silver trousers, outrageous stage antics) and Lou Reed (childhood ECT, bisexuality). Ewan McGregor's character also sings 'Gimme Danger' from 'Raw Power' during the film.

Okay, this really needs to be put right once and for all. It could not be more obvious to anyone who has seen the film that Ewan McGregor's Curt Wild is quite cleary modelled on Iggy. There is just no question about this. Yes, the film's director Todd Haynes, threw in bits of Lou Reed (shock treatment), but there is a reason why critics and everyone else who has seen this film have made the connection. Curt Wild grows up in a trailer park in Michigan, fronts an influential garage band, becomes a heroin addict, is shirtless and maniacal on stage, sings TV Eye (not Raw Power, as someone above has said), dyes his hair platinum after meeting the Bowie character, (who produces his album), sings Gimme Danger, and later in the film, moves to Berlin. All of these things match Iggy's bio perfectly. I don't know how it's done, but I think the above paragraph really should be re-inserted into this otherwise very well written, exhaustively detailed article. 64.222.222.16 (talk) 17:02, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Just to correct you a little, McGregor sings TV Eye first and later in the movie sings Gimmie Danger —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.127.88.218 (talk) 00:25, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Punk
It should be noted and quoted somewhere that Iggy Pop is not a fan of the label "punk."
 * First of all, what you are refering to is a sort of "speach" that he gave during an interview for a canadian tv network, in witch he criticized not the idea of punk rock, but how the media was portraiting punk rock. Finaly, in the end of the "speach" (if I recall well), he made a exaltation of the artistic values behind punk rock, in response to the accusations of it being only violence, excess and lack of musical talent.
 * Besides, the idea that iggy opposes the label "punk" would be much contradictory with the fact that he recorderd the song "punkrocker" with the teddybears anyway... —Preceding unsigned comment added by To hell with poverty! (talk • contribs) 08:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

"Iggy"
Is the name "Iggy" not related to the "Iago", the Spanish form of "James"? -- Bobyllib 01:29, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

It stemmed from being a member of an early group named the Iguanas as legend goes.

A Girl Like You
It is funny to see that on some web site a "A Girl Like You" is attributed to Iggy Pop when it belongs to Edwyn Collins

Interesting Trivia
Iggy and the Stooges concert rider currently on display at:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1004061iggypop9.html

Fun reading.

Jake b 03:58, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

58.107.162.179 15:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)I added the nickname "Molly" to Ian Meldrum. -LetterAfterZ

Stage diving
I thought Jim Morrison did the stage dive before Iggy Pop did. I think it's pretty well documented in Doors bios, etc. You really need that citation to prove it one way or another. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.128.253.122 (talk) 14:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Iggy Pop had seen Jim Morrison perform in 1967 at the University of Michigan and was impressed by Morrison's stage antics. Morrison biographers Riordan & Prochnicky document that Morrison started falling into the audience from 1966 on casually (James Riordan, Jerry Prochnicky: Break on Through. The Life and Death of Jim Morrison. William Morrow, New York 1991, pp 100, 139, 250-251. ISBN 0-688-08829-5). The passage in the Iggy Pop article "Later, while inventing the stage-dive in Detroit, Iggy Pop..." should therefore be put into perspective. --Diggindeeper (talk) 10:45, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Underage Groupies?
I've read that Iggy was involved with underage groupies. Coulde this be added to the article? Nukleoptra 18:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Sure. All you need to do is find a reliable, reputable source. TallGuy 04:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Vegetarian?
How does he stay so thin? Is he vegetarian or something? Code-Binaire 14:07, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe he's one of those rock stars who doesn't eat anything, and just lives on drugs. I haven't got anything to prove that, though. Genetics?Nukleoptra 11:26, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, he's a vegetarian...That's why he used to smear raw meat on his body. 70.162.66.142 01:11, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

 24.175.111.135 03:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * he is a vegetarian —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 (talk) 19:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

On Terry Gross's "Fresh Air" she asked him about his physique and he said he had always had an uneasy stomach; found it hard to eat. Mydogtrouble (talk) 14:23, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Covers
I'd like to clean up the covers section to include only covers by 1) notable bands 2) which can be located on a publicly released recording. Any objections? Gimme danger 21:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Both those principles are sound as far as I'm concerned, go for it. Cheers, Ian Rose 22:57, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Iggy's birthplace
This article lists two different cities for Iggy's birthplace. The infobox lists the birthplace as Muskegon, while the "early life" section clearly states he was born in Ypsilanti. Can we verify this information?--Pinko1977 02:09, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. Cheers, Ian Rose 15:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Racism
The BBC had to apologise to UK viewers for a racist term used by Pop in a post-Glastobury-set interview. Anyone know what he said and can add it to the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.92.40.49 (talk) 17:25, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's in the article already. I'm not sure exactly what he said; the BBC article just mentions the slur(?) "paki shops". I'm quite ambivalent about this being in the article. It doesn't seem encyclopedic. At least it's cited though. --Gimme danger 20:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

The interview can be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_L6uG7O7O8 80.42.190.187 22:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Lyricist?
His infobox states that he's a singer,composer and producer (regarding his musical activities). Although a lyricist is often considered to be a composer, most people tend to think of a composer as the one who would deal exclusively with the music. Thus, in Iggy's case, such a reference is rather misleading, as his lyrics are thought to be of much more importance than his compositions. Don't you think that his occupation(s) list should be rearranged to: singer, lyricist, composer, producer, actor or singer, songwriter, producer, actor? Alexchondros 20:52, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree he's better known for his lyrics than his music (though he does do both). I would have no problem with the second of your suggestions, i.e. "singer, songwriter, producer, actor". Cheers, Ian Rose 00:13, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Sid & Nancy
"the character of Rock Head in Sid and Nancy...is thought by some to be based on Pop." I've never heard anyone say this, and can't find a citation. Also, it's just wrong. When I saw the film I assumed that it was meant to be Richard Hell (R.H., after all) although Jonny Thunders would also be a possibility.

Rock Head is obviously fictional although to the extent that he's based on anything it would have to be Thunders. The real Nancy got to England as a Johnny Thunders groupie, and as Sid was generally impressed with the New York scene and his mother was an addict, this in did much to persuade Sid to allow himself to be influenced by the junkie Nancy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.164.147.147 (talk) 19:18, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Denial of fair use?
What does this mean and is there any validity to it?

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Present day
"His direct influence extends to the present day: a Cadillac ad in rotation since February 2007 features his vocal performance on the song "Punkrocker", recorded in 2006 with the Swedish band The Teddybears.[3]"

What ?

Yeah, that caught my eye and I'm going to remove for someone to put it in a better spot later. It's not "direct influence", it's a Cadillac commercial. 67.103.26.174 (talk) 07:11, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Didnt he do the theme songs for some cartoons?
I know theres more than one but I remember this one where the kids kept shouting we like monsters, about a monster family show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.103.236.90 (talk) 03:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, he wrote and sang the theme for a Gaumont cartoon called Space Goofs in 1997. It was released on Virgin in a digipak cover. The cover unfolds into a pop-up illustration of the characters from the cartoon. The CD contains Monster Men, Gorgeous, Monster Men Remix Edit (Mr Clean Version by 2 Lazy), Etno, Candy, Bad Luck Blues, and an interactive track. Gorgeous, Etno, Candy, and Bad Luck Blues are all short instrumentals. The music was produced by Marc du Pontavice. (Candy has no relation to his hit record of the same name.)````

Influence
I think we can all come to a consensus that this section is a bit biased especially considering it doesn't have a single reference. I mean, considering Pop's large "influence" on punk rock music it should be easy to cite several reliable sources who claim the information featured in this section of the article is indeed correct. K.H (talk) 04:22, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Velvet Goldmine
The article claims "In the movie Velvet Goldmine, Ewan McGregor portrays Curt Wilde, a character loosely based on Iggy Pop." I was always under the impression that McGregor's character was based more on David Bowie... can anyone comment on this? Pygmypony (talk) 11:07, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This was covered before, under the heading "Velvet Goldmine connection" above. You are confusing Ewan McGregor's character with Jonathan Rhys-Meyers's character. CKarnstein (talk) 13:54, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you're right, sorry. Pygmypony (talk) 10:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

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Classical scholarship?
The heading is misleading. Iggy's contribution was more like a letter to the editor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.117.1.1 (talk) 06:53, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

vocal register
can anybody say what Iggy`s vocal register is? Die bibi (talk) 22:06, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Biopic
This page says that a biopic is going to happen however its been saying that for a while. In other places they say they are giving up and that Iggy hated the idea, is there any recent news about anything! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.162.217.46 (talk) 05:26, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Family/Personal life
Why isn't there a section on his homelife? Like where he lives now, is he still married, and also I heard he had a son. Is that true? 97.125.90.108 (talk) 08:56, 9 June 2010 (UTC)


 * There are a few recent interviews which describe that information. A quick search turns them up.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.36.171.114 (talk) 20:53, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Short form of name
Why is his name shortened to Pop in the article? Surely it should be shortened to Iggy, just like Snoop in the Snoop Dogg article, Muddy in the Muddy Waters article etc? Nurg (talk) 11:41, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Why would you say "surely" Iggy? Defiantly there is some debate to this. I can think of at least a couple of articles that use the last name of an artist's alias as short form: Sonny Boy Williamson II, Bo Diddley, Howlin' Wolf, Sid Vicious, Alice Cooper,Gene Simmons, Nikki Sixx, Rick James, Ronnie James Dio, Buster Poindexter, Richard Hell, Johnny Thunders, Joe Strummer, John Doe (musician), Billy Zoom, Pat Smear, Jello Biafra, Glenn Danzig, Freddie Mercury, Joan Jett ,Bob Dylan, Eddie Vedder, Eddie Money, Tre Cool, Elvis Costello, Huey Lewis, Perry Farrell, Rob Zombie, Flavor Flav, Dr. Dre, Vanilla Ice, Kid Rock, Uncle Kracker, Marc Bolan and... Muddy Waters look again, Waters is used quite a bit in the 2nd half of the article. Pulse I believe he is often credited as Pop for his songwriting, like on Bowies' album Let's Dance.

Publicly He goes by Iggy Pop as his name so I don't know why not to treat it like we would a birth name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.125.93.148 (talk) 08:23, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

When was he born?
In 1947 (1st ch.) or 1955 (2nd ch.)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.109.50.10 (talk) 16:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * If the band started performing in 1967, and he played in several previous bands, he couldn't have been 12 years old then. I saw him perform in 1969 and I assure you that he wasn't 14 years old. Cullen328 (talk) 01:03, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Iggy Stooge?
I saw his band perform several times in Detroit in 1969 - 1970, and my recollection is that they were still billed as the "Psychedelic Stooges" at that point, and that Iggy was commonly called "Iggy Stooge". If he objected to this stage name as the article implies, then I think that needs a good solid reference. Cullen328 (talk) 01:01, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Name standardization
So, what name are we going to use here? Pop is definitely incorrect per naming policy, since it's not a surname (compare Snoop Dogg] for another musician using a stage name with two parts), and his stagename has also been Iggy Stooge. Trynka uses "Jim" for behind the scenes contexts and "Iggy" for the stage persona, but that doesn't meet style guidelines to use last names. Any thoughts?

Iggy or Pop?
When using a short name, the article sometimes refers to him as Iggy and sometimes as Pop. Someone should edit to standardize on just one or the other... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ytpete (talk • contribs) 04:11, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Never said G'day mate!
Iggy Pop never said "G'day mate"! Iggy Pop only said "G'day!, G'day!" NOT G'day mate! - Gotta learn to listen. (120.149.121.80 (talk) 03:48, 19 April 2013 (UTC))

Iggy is NOT Racist!
Iggy is JEWISH So therefore he can NEVER be a RACIST!, `Kay? (17:48, 3 August 2013 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.149.118.68 (talk)

Correct release years of singles
Hi, would anyone be so kind to look at the Iggy Pop discography where it should be corrected that the singles 'The Passenger' and 'Lust for Life' already appeared in 1977. Source: Lust for Life (album). I don't know how to do it. Thanks a lot. Best regards --188.100.226.163 (talk) 01:16, 16 March 2014 (UTC)