Talk:Igor and Grichka Bogdanoff

Error in the pubication list
The last publication in the list appears to be inexistent. I could not find it using google scholar and a search using the ISBN number leads to nothing (https://isbnsearch.org/isbn/9783034800129). It should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbenoist (talk • contribs) 11:08, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Plastic surgery?
Does anyone else think that this page should definitely mention their plastic surgery? It it a very notable thing about them GoodAvocado (talk) 02:26, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * That's what I came to the page for and was surprised not to see it. They've become an internet meme because of it. Fortibus (talk) 15:09, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

I came for this too and was also surprised it wasn't in here - 29/07/2018
 * The article says at the moment "It is theorized that the twins may suffer from acromegaly, however it is well documented that they have both undergone many plastic surgeries since the late 1990s." The "however" part has been in there since September 2019: . But there is no source for it.
 * Wikipedia says what reliable sources say. Some random anonymous IP repeating internet rumors is not a reliable source. I will remove that part now. --Hob Gadling (talk) 06:09, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Addition: Of the three source given, one does not mention plastic surgery. The second says that there has been plastic surgery, but is The Talko or TheTalko a reliable source? I have no idea.
 * The third, the French one, dismisses the possibility. It says, according to Google Translate, "Igor and Grichka are said to have undergone cosmetic surgery to seemingly resemble either extraterrestrials, or what humans might look like in future generations to emphasize that they would be more advanced than most of their peers ... But all these rumors are more eccentric than the others and do not deserve the least attention"
 * In any case, anybody who thinks it is "well documented" should be able to document it well. --Hob Gadling (talk) 06:23, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Give it a quick rundown108.48.94.223 (talk) 20:02, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Since I'm not a native French speaker i think i will allow others to edit the article so proper native syntax can be evaluated for proper presentation and possibly even written in french before translating to English (any competent translation software can do that) at which point i might clean up syntax and grammar of EN version. BUT FIRST PLEASE NOTE Plastic Surgery isn't as important as the heading might suggest. More important, and IMHO still lacking, is proper emphasis on the apparent condition they inherited ... surgery is often suggested, as are hormone therapies and homeopathic methodologies. occasionally the surgeries would include "plastic" attempts but usually only secondary to growth inhibitors since growth spurts can be life threatening ... to add emphases on Plastic Surgery would degrade our goal of information and smack of devolving into a supermarket tabloid --Qazwiz (talk) 19:05, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

I have added to the plastic surgery but there is not much information to go on. Adi 007 ZA (talk) 17:38, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

A new paragraph was added saying a former education minister claims they got botox. Okay but the article cited doesn't quote the minister, and provides no citations of its own. I don't think this is a valid citation without changing the wording to directly reference the article in question such as "a bbc article claims that the former education minister has said...". 66.210.76.228 (talk) 22:37, 4 January 2022 (UTC)Terikan

Internet meme
I think that, given the popularity of this meme in the past year, it merits at least a quick rundown in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FCC8:F285:85F0:E415:8C5A:BDB8:FB08 (talk) 03:15, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Why doesn't the article say anything about their ridiculous heads?
 * What do you mean? And why are you unsigned?? 2.31.164.76 (talk) 15:25, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

I concur, they have been a very iconic internet meme / personality for many years now, it's unreasonable this goes unmentioned on wikipedia 203.132.93.156 (talk) 17:01, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

First name
This court ruling lists Grichka Bogdanoff as officially 'Grégoire' (French first name equivalent to Gregory in English; I suppose Grichka is the Russian equivalent or some diminutive thereof). Shouldn't the article list this 'official' first name? David.Monniaux (talk) 09:35, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Trolling
User materialscientist needs to stop trolling this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.61.120.3 (talk) 07:03, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Net worth
Can anybody find reliable sources about their alleged net worth of trillions of euros? Also holdings in biotechnology companies should certainly be mentioned on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.115.216.63 (talk) 09:47, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, a quick rundown would be great. 95.194.115.198 (talk) 17:53, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Their relations to prominent royalty and banking families should also be explored FWIWTBQHWY fam108.48.94.223 (talk) 20:01, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Protection
this needs to be protected again. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 13:38, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Could you please at least remove the reference of publication in IHES ? There is no evidence of its existence as far as I can tell. It looks like a prank.152.77.66.130 (talk) 07:41, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Categorization
They ought to be added into the category "Sibling duos".
 * Done – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 14:25, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Grammar and Spelling
This sentence needs editing for clarity and to correct the multiple grammar errors:

"Time later, the Bogdanoff brothers preside on a chair of Cosmology at the private Megatrend University of Belgrade."

'Promordial' is not a word in English and "director of thesis" is probably not the correct English translation of that job title (maybe "theses" would make that correct?). Plus grammar problem with last clause:

"The preparation of both brothers for doctorates in 1991 in Promordial Cosmology at University of Bordeaux 1 created a number of controversies for them, with the university's director of thesis receiving a number of appeals, including influential figures in the university, to disallow their continued enrollment in the university's doctoral programme."

UM,  pri·mor·di·al = Existing at or from the beginning of time; primeval. ALTHOUGH i doubt it's what they meant...

Maybe they meant a set of studies OF THE COSMOS or ASTRONOMY so cosmology maybe https://www.reddit.com/r/cosmology/comments/336bd7/what_university_should_i_go_to_for_a_degree_in/ might be start if what i see is correct but
 * primary (primaire,) =? Primary Astronomy (maybe)
 * principal, (primordial,) or
 * paramount,
 * supreme,
 * sovereign

TO BE CERTAIN THE ORIGINAL TEXT NEEDS TO BE CHECKED --Qazwiz (talk) 19:56, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

@Qazwiz: " "director of thesis" is probably not the correct English translation of that job title". You are right ; the French "directeur de these" would be "PhD supervisor" or "research supervisor". MarmotteiNoZ 13:16, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

French People of African American descent?
This category seems to be inaccurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:5B9F:FC2B:50A2:2395:85C4:6F12 (talk) 21:48, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Removed. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 22:05, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It is accurate; as is well-known and sourced in the article, they are great-grandsons of the famous black tenor Roland Hayes. FactStraight (talk) 18:22, 20 August 2018 (UTC)


 * To be specific: 12½%
 * although I might postulate that in this enlightened age we should start removing all mentions of race as being racist ... :D  --Qazwiz (talk) 19:16, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

should they be cross referenced ????
i'm sure french Wiki will mention that the boys were the Parrots on french Masked Singer (2020) I'm just wondering should we cross reference to FR.WIKIPEDIA ?????? --Qazwiz (talk) 19:24, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Past tense
The lead sentence Igor Yourievitch Bogdanoff (born 29 August 1949) and Grichka Yourievitch Bogdanoff (29 August 1949 – 28 December 2021) were ... reads as if both are dead (same with the first sentence of the Early years section). Is there a better way to phrase it? Lennart97 (talk) 23:19, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Considering one is death, then its were. Beshogur (talk) 23:53, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The point is that Igor is still alive, and as such still is. Lennart97 (talk) 16:05, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * But anyway, I found a few more examples of articles about duos of which one member is dead, and a collective past tense seems to be the usual approach, and I don't have a better one, so never mind. Lennart97 (talk) 16:10, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * No longer relevant, both have died. 206.252.203.42 (talk) 20:56, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2022
Replace both Category:2021 deaths and Category:2022 deaths with Category:2020s deaths per WP:INCOMPATIBLE. 2A02:C7E:3878:3100:9002:7C11:EC7C:7786 (talk) 13:36, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 15:48, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Is the vaccination status of a public person something to include in its wikipedia Page?
I suggest removing the unvaccinaton status of these persons since It is something related to their private health and has no value in their biography 47.60.40.98 (talk) 10:38, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Doing so would be a WP:POV violation, given the references. --Hipal (talk) 22:55, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I assume you wouldn't say the same if it had said "vaccinated". It's highly relevant to the cause of their deaths which is why the used sources mention it. Prinsgezinde (talk) 13:24, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Why are you accusing them of hypocrisy while knowing nothing about them? I think it's weird to include vaccination status in both cases. You guys know what you're doing by including that sentence. 2001:7E8:C25A:7800:485B:F350:A850:9C43 (talk) 23:05, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Prinsgezinde did not do anything of the sort. You need to separate what people say and the fantasies you derive from what they say. --Hob Gadling (talk) 10:26, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree 100% Seems very political. 24.140.17.80 (talk) 19:01, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed. We all know it's political, regardless of what Wikipedia editors will claim. Their vaccination status has nothing to do with their deaths, as we all know. Many people died from covid who DID have the shot, and many died who didn't have it. It made absolutely no difference as to whether someone would catch covid OR whether they might die of covid. This is simply to try to make a statement that, "See, they didn't have the shot and that's why they died." 76.202.192.102 (talk) 20:58, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I also agree that it's irrelevant. There is no basis to suggest that their vaccine status was at all related to their deaths (many people who were vaccinated also died, and the vaccine efficacy was very poor/non-existent). This is a clear case of politicizing a tragedy, but it's all in vain, as the fear mongers have already lost that battle. Time to move on. 2607:FEA8:51A1:8300:1C63:F194:4824:43BA (talk) 05:12, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Are you referring to Prinsgezinde's comment ?

I believe this information should stay, as it is relevant to the article and mentioned in multiple sources. Furthermore, because they were involved in science popularization, their anti-vaccination stance during the pandemic was therefore notable.Marincyclist (talk) 17:37, 20 June 2024 (UTC)