Talk:Ikey Solomon

Seminumerical 21:58, 23 October 2005 (UTC) I cleaned up some awkward phrases, put in a few apostrophes, and fixed some spelling, but the article still needs a little bit of work.

Potential sources
I found a what can maybe used as sources for the article. I don't have time to add them right now, but may come back later to add them if needed.
 * |Ikey Solomon and his adventures
 * https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/antisemitism-in-history-racial-antisemitism-18751945
 * https://www.geni.com/people/Isaac-Ikey-Solomon/6000000007123558300

Australian Jewish Community and Culture The Jewish community in Australia has made a significant contribution to the development of Australian society and culture since the establishment of the colony in 1788. The Library's collections contain a multitude of stories which focus on the community.

It is difficult to establish the precise number of Jews sent to Australia during the convict era. Indents did not include details of a convict's religion until the 1820s. Some early convicts have been identified as Jewish based on their surnames (such as Abrahams, Jacobs and Levy). Others were identified as Jewish because they had sworn on the Old Testament (rather than the New Testament) when tried in court.

Despite arriving in Australia as convicts, many were pardoned and, once their sentence had expired, went on to become respectable, productive colonists. Many other Jews chose to join transported family members in Australia, making the most of the opportunities in a new country and rising to prominent positions in society, politics, business and the arts.

There are many fascinating Jewish stories, one of the earliest known is that of Esther Abrahams who was the mistress, then de facto and finally official wife of George Johnston, a soldier and early colonist. Jewish convicts were not able to establish an organised Jewish community until the arrival of the first free British immigrants in the late 1820s.

The first purpose built synagogue was opened in Sydney in 1844. The buidling was designed in an Egyptian style by James Hume. (copied from the link above} ^^^^ — Preceding unsigned comment added by IrishLas (talk • contribs) 06:55, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for that! I know it needs work, but I've not had time to redirect it.  I'll tag and flag it for a cleanup too. --User:\talk 09:56, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Seminumerical 22:12, 26 October 2005 (UTC) I made some more corrections. The article seems to be getting close to being finished. Most of the corrections were apostrophes (Solomon's wife, not Solomons wife) and the one word you gotta learn to spell, heh heh!: "separate, not seperate". I guess the only other thing I noticed is that sometimes you write Ikey, and sometimes you write Solomon. I think it should be one or the other? I haven't read the guidelines yet so I'm not sure of the rules. By the way, did you cite your sources for the article somewhere? I don't know how to do that yet. Also, I think alot of people are going to visit this page. Now that Polanski's movie, Oliver Twist, is out alot of people are going to wonder who Fagin was based on. That is how I came to this page, an hour after I saw the movie. Thanks for creating it by the way.
 * You're welcome. My gramma' has always let me down!  I ordered a book called "The First Fagin", so I might be adding to this later!  The sources used are just the Old Bailey Records, which has led to me being addicted to those Old Bailey records.. they are amazing!!  Also, the information on that New Zealand site too.  --User:\talk 22:14, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I did a little grammar tweaking too. It's a good article. What it needs now is better citations. Instead of something like 'Ikey was devoted to his family', say 'so-and-so says Ikey was devoted to his family', and cite your source. XyKyWyKy 11:39, 1 October 2006 (UTC) I see a couple of points in this article which are clearly inconsistent with the rest of the article and unverifiable according to the references which have been included. Firstly it says that Solomon was 23 at the time of his first trial and conviction. The reference provided shows his birth year as '1787?' which is two years later than the year of birth provided on this page, and does not indicate his age at the time of his trial. Either the year of his birth provided on this page is wrong, or he must have been either 24 or 25 at the time of his first trial in 1810. Secondly this article claims that after his second conviction, he appeared to reach New York in 1810. The reference provided at this point shows that this second conviction was in 1827, and gives no indication of what year he arrived in the US. It appears that both his age at the time of his first conviction and the year he arrived in New York are unverified statements and inconsistent with the information given on this page. Due to the unverified statements and inadequate references for them, I do not feel comfortable editing this page. Perhaps the author would like to? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilonka2 (talk • contribs) 04:01, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Ikey reaches New York
The article states "He appears to have reached New York by mid-July 1810 1827.." That link points to a court record for an Isaac Solomon s, who says "I am no relation to Ikey Solomon and trust my name will not prejudice me." This Isaac is only 19 years old. Nothing I see supports a NY arrival date of 1810 (given by another source) or 1827, and I have removed the sentence. --CliffC (talk) 20:22, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * One source indicates Ikey arrived in August 1827; have re-added the arrival. --CliffC (talk) 09:56, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

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Javelin Man
Ikey Solomon was not both a javelin man and a convict constable in 1832. They were completely different jobs and were administered by different departments: Javelin men were part of the Sheriff's Department, and their immediate superior was the local gaoler, and above that was the Sheriff in Hobart Town. Convict constables were part of the Police Department: their immediate superior was the local Police Magistrate, and above that was the Chief Police Magistrate in Hobart Town.

The source referred to here, which is the Australian Dictionary of Biography article on Ikey Solomon, refers to him only as a "javelin man". Cynwidion (talk) 08:35, 1 December 2023 (UTC)