Talk:Il manifesto

Recent article
A recent Fox News Online article states that Il Manifesto is a 'communist daily.'


 * Il Manifesto is close to the Communist Party in Italia, for what I know. That said, it would be important to nuance this; as far as I understand, "Communist" is pretty much an insult in the USA, a little bit like "Nazi" (especially in circles where Fox lies, right ?). In Italia, the Communist Party sewered ties with the USSR after the Prague coup; one cannot really compare the Communist Party of Italia to the one of, say, France (which backed up USSR), and even less to the Comunists of USSR, Cuba, China or whatever.
 * "Communist" is technically correct, but stating it without further explanations to an audiance which is not necessarly informated of this is, say, giving a selective information. Rama 15:00, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Il Manifesto describes itself as a 'quotidiano comunista'. However, it's never been very close to the PCI and was originally founded by 'new left' radical activists in the late 60's. I've made some edits to reflect this. However, I don't think the fact that Americans may get scared by the word 'communist' should stop us using it where appropriate! Palmiro 21:05, 23 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Excellent, thank you ! Rama 08:41, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Title capitalization
,, would both of you please be so kind to stop edit warring and talk to settle the issue of title capitalization? Please? Thanks.-- cyclopia speak! 21:37, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, but I respect Manual of Style/Capital letters, the page has moreover been named "Il manifesto" for six years. If Checco wants to derogate a rule, he has to seek the consensus before --Maremmano (talk) 09:16, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I would say that this might apply; however I am not sure. What matters however is that both of you resolve the matter by talking and, if necessary, asking for third party advice, not by edit warring. I am myself neutral on the issue.-- cyclopia speak! 17:51, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The problem with Maremmano is that he often imposes his views regardless of consensus. In this case, il manifesto is clearly the correct title of the newspaper in Italian (just take a look to the website) and has been displayed that way for the last three years. I'm much open to discuss, but the discussion should start from the established version of the article (displaying the newspaper's title as il manifesto). --Checco (talk) 13:43, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The manual of style says that the lower case can be used only in particular cases (such as eBay, iPhone etc. ). "...has been displayed that way for the last three years": it is a reasoning without sense. For SIX YEARS the name was "Il manifesto", then an user iserted the lower case without consensus and it was OK. When I have re-inserted the capital letter it wasn't more ok, because I have acted without consensus! Two weights and two measures. Do you want to tease me?--Maremmano (talk) 13:08, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

I checked what happens in other similar cases. The Guardian is capitalized, even if the newspaper is printed in lowercase.-- cyclopia speak! 16:39, 22 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks cyclopia, do you think that also for l'Unità we have to use the lower case?--Maremmano (talk) 22:54, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The Guardian is just one example and does not set a precent for this article. However, it's not a big deal to me to have Il manifesto (according to The Guardian's example, the title should be Il Manifesto by the way). What's important to me is that User:Maremmano learns to confront himself with consensus. --Checco (talk) 07:49, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Developments the last few years?
I was wondering what had happened after the liquidation, but the article gives very little answer. I checkt the de-wp, it-wp, and fr-wp sister articles.

The German article explains that a new collective was founded for taking over the ownership. As for the ownership of the name, this seems to be unresolved; but there is an agreement that as long as the paper paus 26,000 euro each month for the rights, it may employ the name "Il manifesto". It also claims that the current edition is less than 20,000.

The Italian article also mentions the need for a new group, but it puts more emphasis on changes among the editors. I did not find anything more definitive about how the liqudation crisis is (or isn't) resolved. In particular, I found nothing there about a 26,00&euro;/month payment. On the other hand, an infobox in the Italian article gives the edition as per July, 2015, as 41,354, and provides a source to some kind of official independent statistics. This seems to be a fairly remarkable increas, in view of earlier development, provided a) that it is true (and not misunderstood), and b) that the statistics in the different cases cover the same number. (E.~g., are the circulation numbers the numbers of sold or just of printed copies?)

The French article says essentially nothing about the financial crisis. It has more to say about the political standpoints of the journal and of the people around it. In particular, it states that Rossana Rossanda and some others were expulsed from the Italian Communist Party (PCI), when il manifesto criticised the USSR invasion of Czechoslovakia (which the PCI at that time defended). The French article states that a political group around il manifesto was organised when the journal became a daily newspaper in April 1971, later joining up with another small communistic group, but also with some later splits. Our articles about Rossana Rossanda and the Proletarian Unity Party (Italy) seem to confirm the fr-wp description.

However, it would be nicer to have some reliable sources for these things, ratheer than having to refer just to translations from other versions. JoergenB (talk) 18:58, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

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