Talk:Ilias Kasidiaris

Forum Comments do not meet Wikipedia Standards
Anonymous comments  on  Stormfront's  forum  do  not  meet  standards  of  Wikipedia. And it is  probably  a  bunch  of  hoaxsters  posting  on Stormfront's  forum  as  usual. Also, Hope not Hate is itself just a blog. 96.254.154.47 (talk) 01:46, 29 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Are you suggesting the picture on that piece is photoshopped as well? Hope not hate is a reliable source and is used extensively throughout the project. The blog you keep inserting is not. Furthermore, please stop changing 'swastika' to 'gammadion'. The name used in English for that shape is swastika. Even on wikipedia itself, gammadion redirects to the article on swastikas. As per WP:COMMONNAME, that is the word the article should use. You seem to be completely unaware of how wikipedia works. Please edit according to policy. Dolescum (talk) 05:00, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Both are blogs,  the  entire  section  violates  wikipedia  standards.  Hope  not  Hate  is  not  a  recognized  news  source,  it is  a  blog,  and  it  is  probably  the  blogger  of  Hope  not  Hate  who  posted  those  anonymous  comments  on  Stormfront's  forum. Also  the  picture,  perhaps  indeed photoshopped,  does  not look  anything  like the  man. 96.254.154.47 (talk) 14:56, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No, the Hope not Hate site is not a blog. Take a look at their article. If the image is photoshopped, can you please offer some evidence of that, because given a choice between believing a journalists publication and random stranger posting on a wikipedia talk page, I'm inclined to believe the journalist, as per WP:OR. Dolescum (talk) 15:40, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The Hope  not  Hate  blog  employs  anonymous  comments  on a  forum,  completely unacceptable.   How  do we  know  that Hope  not Hate  did  not post  those  comments  themselves ?   They  probably  did. 96.254.154.47 (talk) 15:57, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You could claim that about any piece of investigative journalism. Now, do you have any proof that the image presented in their article is a forgery, as you claimed? Dolescum (talk) 16:14, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia will never allow anonymous posts purported  to  be  real,  completely  unacceptable.   And  that  photo  looks  absolutely  nothing  like him !  96.254.154.47 (talk) 16:17, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * If a reliable source claims that is Kasidiaris in that image, it is incumbent upon you to present evidence that it is not. The material posted on the Hope not Hate site is considered reliable, just look at it's use in the English Defence League article. Do you have any evidence their publication is wrong? Dolescum (talk) 16:26, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * EDL is a  radical  extremist  group,  unacceptable  by  Wikipedia  as  a  source. If Hope not Hate is cited there again using anonymous comments on a forum, it must be removed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.254.154.47 (talk) 16:28, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The article is about the EDL, not by them. Are you a native english speaker? Anyway, the picture seems completely unrelated to the forum posts, for starters. A Greek MP walking around with a swastika printed onto his arm is notable given the historical baggage around that particular symbol, otherwise Hope not Hate would not have remarked on it. Given the prior history of this source having been judged reliable, I suggest you consult WP:RSN if you disagree. Dolescum (talk) 16:39, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No photos  allowed  off  of  blogs  or  off  of forums.  And  no  anonymous  posts.  Wikipedia  rules. 96.254.154.47 (talk) 16:49, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I headed over to WP:RSN myself, who confirm that, yes, that is a reliable source. There was also an article in El Mundo featuring his tattoo presented there. So, it seems you're incorrect about this. Dolescum (talk) 18:08, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has  its  own  rules  that  we  follow  here.   No  anonymous posts,  no  photos  off  of   forums. 96.254.154.47 (talk) 18:11, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Firstly, you understand that El Mundo is the second most read newspaper in Spain, don't you? That's not a picture from a forum. You also understand you're supposed to follow wikipedia policies when editing articles, don't you? Dolescum (talk) 18:19, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The El Mundo article is acceptable, I just now added it  myself. 18:24, 29 August 2013 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.254.154.47 (talk)
 * Thank you. Dolescum (talk) 18:28, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem, El Mundo is fine, but no anonymous posts off of Stormfront's forum where anybody can write anything. Stormfront's forum is filled with phony posts. 96.254.154.47 (talk) 18:33, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Usefulness
The article almost exclusively consists on a report about that brawl with that Communist. We would like to learn more about what Mr Kasidiaris stands for as a politicians and what policies he supports. --41.150.174.67 (talk) 10:56, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The article is still terrible. It is 90% devoted to outrageous things that he has said and various criminal trials, while seemingly avoiding to mention facts like exactly when he was elected to parliament. I've looked around and am having difficult finding sources for this. Can someone knowledgable in Greek help? Ashmoo (talk) 12:40, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll try to find it later on and fix other issues as well. AkisAr-26 (talk) 04:26, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Another awful article
Firstly the "Swastika" tattoo he has is an ancient Greek symbol found throughout ancient Greek artefacts including the Parthenon. Saying its' "similar to the swastika" is biased and an uneducated guess, thus totally wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.186.130.4 (talk)


 * I love this type of comment. If you feel it is inaccurate, feel free to edit it. Anyone can!Egghead06 (talk) 03:46, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Tattoo
"Kasidiaris bears a tattoo on his arm of an ancient Greek meander symbol,[4] widely and incorrectly reported as swastika composed of Grecian Key meanders, a logo of his party.[5]" The tattoo is clearly a swastika... as can be seen in the source provided Orgyn (talk) 18:12, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

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 * Ilias Kasidiaris.jpg

About the Anti-Mosque Protest, Controversies , Televised Dourou–Kanelli assault
I think this content must be removed in the basis of human rights here https://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/FS_Reputation_ENG.pdf and here https://www.echr.coe.int/documents/fs_own_image_eng.pdf Acurate1 (talk) 16:42, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Disagree. The text has properly formatted inline citations with good sources. The protection of reputation document you cited holds no water in this case. - Samf4u (talk) 17:02, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * i cited 2 documents Acurate1 (talk) 17:18, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
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New Party Name
I've changed his new party's name from Hellines for Motherland to Greeks for the Motherland as it just seemed more correct. However, I'm not sure whether we should use motherland, fatherland or homeland. The root of πατρίδα comes from πατήρ (father). — Orgyn (talk) 16:36, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

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 * Ilias Kasidiaris on Greek Parliament.jpg

Books he has written
Does anyone have an more information about the books he was written? What is the genre? Fiction or non-fiction? And are any of them published? Or just manuscripts sitting in his cell? Ashmoo (talk) 07:55, 26 January 2023 (UTC)