Talk:Illegal logging

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Someone care to explain the mass of deletions on this page? Guettarda 17:10, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

I cant find anything about Korindo on http://www.eia-international.org, could you be more Specific about the page? I also think it needs more citationsJoshden (talk) 19:15, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Tree Species
Looking for a discussion of rainforest tree species commonly targeted by illegal logging operations.

Neutrality?
I want to add the sub-topic "Illegal Logging in Nigeria" to this article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chenems44 (talk • contribs) 11:09, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

I think that some of the text should be reworded as it seems biased. There is also an overuse of the word "illegal". The general tone of the article comes across as a "Save the Trees" pitch. Some sentences make very opinionated statements such as: "And since the EU is one of the largest importers of timber and forest products, the consumption of the member states continues to fuel illegal logging and related criminal activities." This seems to indicate that the members of the EU are criminal. I feel the tone really makes it feel like it is trying to make a connection between Illegal Logging and Logging in general. Most of the sources in the document (placed under “notes”) seem to come from the same couple sources. I do not endorse illegal logging, however this article should not be an anti-logging or Greenpeace campaign article. Busfault 00:54, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * How it can be overuse of the word "illegal" in the article which is devoted to illegal logging, not to the logging in general? Audriusa 18:47, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Busfault - You are obviously an apologist for the MNCs and countries like China who are quietly supporting the various timber companies that are raping the rain forests while pretending they somehow give a hoot about the environment.Ndriley97 21:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well if china is allowing it then it might not be illegal then Ben920 11:00, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

the point is simply that 'illegal logging' has become a political catch phrase for a political agenda, and has little meaning other than that. 'Illegal logging' has simply become logging that the author doesn't approve of. Forexample we don't have a page for 'illegal pot smoking' though most is illegal.Rvannatta (talk) 19:04, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

All in all, the article represents a neutral point of view. Some of the figures are not sound (Russia: >50% is only correct in some areas, but on a national scale, even estimations by Greenpeace and WWF do not exceed 36%), and other passages do not mention relevant backgrounds. Finally, I see vague terminologies and causalities (e.g. "It is thought that logging is a growing concern to the growth of the rainforest's inhabitants." - a) indigenous people do not live in tropical rainforests exclusively, and alone in the tropics, other large forest ecosystems besides rainforests can be found, too; b) I doubt that a majority of specialists would agree to that message). I will do the necessary edits and remove the template message. --Wladmeister (talk) 13:30, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

This page is written like a greenpeace pamphlet. This page is very biased. Could someone care to put in the perspective of others (like the loggers) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.184.93.167 (talk) 08:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree, that there is lack of neutrality in this article. Citation of the "Estonian Green Movement" is ridiculous. It is a fact, that if somebody evaluates activities of the "Estonian Green Movement" according to the same methodology, that they use for evaluating level of illegal cuttings, then 100% of their activities are illegal.--84.50.182.154 (talk) 08:56, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

"In June 2009 Obama approved logging in the Tongass National Forest" Why is this in an article on illegal logging? What is the author's definition of illegal? 203.5.68.93 (talk) 22:12, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree. The United States section seems to get pretty off topic. This information belongs somewhere (under the "Tongass National Forest" page? or under the "Roadless Areas" page?) but probably not here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.152.188.240 (talk) 08:14, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Pictures
I have several pictures of illegal logging camps in the jungles of Belize, if you think they will enchance this artical I am willing to upload them and place them in the public domain. I took em so they are mine.

That would be great! Béka 19:11, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Report
It says the report outlines what we believe can and should be done. Who's we?

China and Illegal Logging
We all know the truth - the Mainland Chinese are responsible for almost all of the new demand for illegal logging. This becomes clear when one realizes that most of the new activity has been in NE Asia (e.g., Siberia) and SE Asia (e.g., Borneo). I'm not anti-China, but am also sick of everyone skirting around these sorts of issues, particularly commie-lovers who are still clutching their copies of Mao's Little Red Book close to their hearts. I will edit the page accordingly. Ndriley97 00:13, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't know about China, but the article is sort of dressed up to condemn all logging whether done properly or not and even what's illegal is often in the eye of the beholder.

it's sort of like medical marijauna in California. How 'illegal' it is depends on who you ask.

Wood in an important renewable resource, and one of the bad side effects of reducing timber harvests in north american temperate forests where forest practices are generally responsible, is that it transfers the demand to other places whose management is less responsible.Rvannatta 17:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The "China"-passage needs to be fed with references (scientific ones; estimations of a single unnkown ENGO canot be regarded as reputable). Concerning legality, definitions are more or less clear. The mainly argued point is if purchasing somehow illegally harvested timber is a crime. --Wladmeister (talk) 14:25, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I take the missing replies as a sign of approval or disinterest of the passage's author. I will consequently remove the "China"-section. --Wladmeister (talk) 09:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Pic of illegal logging in Thailand
I have added a pic of illegal logging in Thailand. This happened less than a kilometre from my house.

The picture was taken on 12 March 2011 in Tambon Don Pao, Amphur Mae Wang, Changwat Chiang Mai which is approximately 25 kilometres from Chiang Mai city. The tree had been cut only 100 metres from a two lane tarmac road leading to a Forestry Department station a kilometre away. The logging was reported to the Forestry Department immediately after the photograph was taken. In the afternoon of 15 March the logs were seen being loaded onto two two wheel truck by a means of a huge mobile crane, there was no sign of the Forestry Department. As the Forestry Department was taking no action, a report was made to the police. The police sent their own officers to the site, and according to them, notified the Forestry Department themselves. According to the police, the truck and crane drivers were taken to the police station and fined; the logs were confiscated by and taken away by the Forestry Department. The salient point about these events is the lack of action on behalf of the local Forestry Department officials in such blatant destruction of an old-growth protected tree. We are currently awaiting a full report from the police. We can supply full details of the event and the names of the people involved to any journalist interested in reporting the matter.

We have been told that this illegal logging is controlled by gangsters working with some members of the forestry department. These gangsters do not hesitate to kill people who get in their way, which is why illegal logging is rarely reported or covered in the local press. --Logicalgregory (talk) 05:33, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Sources for future edits
In case I or someone else decides to update the page, here is a source to work from:



I'll add more as I find them. – Maky  « talk » 22:13, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Another:



– Maky  « talk » 00:53, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

FLEG, FLEGT sections
The sections on Forest law enforcement and governance (FLEG) and Forest law enforcement, governance and trade (FLEGT) should be spun off to one or more separate articles, in my opinion. These are important international, and intergovernmental initiatives that deserve their own articles. Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 12:06, 17 February 2013 (UTC)


 * P.S. These sections need references added throughout. DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 12:13, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Banning of tropical hardwood timber and products in developed countries
In most developing countries, it is impossible to prevent illegal logging. A better approach would thus be to ban the sale of of (atleast certain) tropical hardwood timber and any products made thereof. This, as most illegally chopped wood in these areas are intented for export anyhow, so reducing demand would decrease sale price/value. Almost all tropical hardwood is intented for export (they're too expensive for local use).

Find additional sources for the idea and add in article KVDP (talk) 16:32, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

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Illegal Logging in Nigeria
The issue of illegal logging affects nations that produce, export, and import wood and wood products on a global scale.

The harvest, transportation, purchase, or sale of timber in violation of national legislation is often referred to as illegal logging. Illegal logging accounts for more than 50% of the production and exports of timber in some developing nations. Chenems44 (talk) 11:11, 11 September 2023 (UTC)