Talk:Illinois Public Access Opinion 16-006

Pre-FAC review
Comments from Cat That's all, excellent job! I'll reread it at the FAC but anticipate no more concerns. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 00:47, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * - "the" CPD? Organization are often preceded by articles, make sure this is consistent throughout too
 * I struggle with this one. In Chicago-based publications, the "CPD" acronym usually is not preceded by the article "the", much in the same way that we don't say "the CNN". See, for example, an inspector general's report on CPD's use of force practices, and also the state Supreme Court's opinion in Green v. Chicago Police Department, which is a FOIA case. On the other hand, some sources use "the CPD". There's this academic paper analyzing complaints against "the CPD", and our very own article on Chicago Police Department uses "the" in the same way.
 * This issue was brought up during the GA review, and back then I noted that WP:THE doesn't expressly favor one style over the other. We should also recognize that the opinion itself omits the article "the" when mentioning "CPD". Edge3 (talk) 03:44, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * - "turning their messages into" makes it seem instantaneous; "making them public records" is better IMO
 * Changed. Edge3 (talk) 03:44, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * - according to whom? How did Yager know about this?
 * This was according to the Kidd 2016 source, quoting Ben Schuster, a Chicago-based attorney. [P]olice officers who were off duty reportedly were sending and receiving messages via personal accounts on personal devices, [Schuster] said. Since Schuster was just a third-party commentator, I wouldn't quote him directly in the article. Edge3 (talk) 03:44, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * - CNN's request? I thought Yager made the request and she was a producer for CNN. Did she make the request on the behalf of CNN (in which case this phrase is fine) or did she personally submit it with her name?
 * Yager made the request as part of her work for CNN. Note that the attorney who represented her, Drew Shenkman, was doing so in his capacity as counsel for CNN. Edge3 (talk) 03:44, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * - "filed" or "had filed"? If the decision was made after 2018, the former would be fine, but because the opinion was released in 2016, "had filed" is correct (I think- my technical grammar knowledge is minimal, I'm just going off of what sounds right)
 * Since the opinion was released in 2016, and we're talking about something that would happen over the next two years, I think it's more correct to say "would file". I've made this change. Edge3 (talk) 03:44, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The image of Rahm seems irrelevant, since he only gets one sentence. If you want an image, something related to FOIA or City of Champaign would make more sense
 * Changed to a photo of the Champaign City Building. Edge3 (talk) 03:44, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Lisa Madigan is mentioned nowhere in the article's body
 * I added her as the named author of the opinion, along with a footnote explaining that the opinion was signed on her behalf by the counsel to the Attorney General. As for the rest of the article, I avoided naming Madigan directly to emphasize that the opinion was issued by an office, with input from several attorneys, rather than just Madigan acting on her own. Edge3 (talk) 04:09, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * - according to whom?
 * Added attribution to the AG. Edge3 (talk) 17:12, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * - ditto, make sure these kinds of statements are attributed to the Attorney General, otherwise it seems like Wikipedia's opinion rather than theirs
 * That wasn't the opinion of the Attorney General, but rather the Information Management Journal. I've moved that statement to the "Reactions" section and attributed accordingly. Edge3 (talk) 17:33, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * - two things: one, what's a binding opinion actually do, and two, the math of "less than half of one percent" hurts my brain; "very few" will do
 * I clarified this a bit. Binding opinions are legally binding on the public body, and anyone who disagrees with the opinion must appeal in court within 30 days. Most of the complaints to the Attorney General's office are resolved through non-binding advisory opinions, which don't impose any legal obligations on the public body to comply. You can see more info at Illinois Public Access Counselor. Edge3 (talk) 16:28, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * - how would he fit this on a nameplate? That's one hell of a title- cut it down, maybe just "journalism professor at"
 * He really wasn't a professor, because the dean job tends to be more administrative. In any case, I've shortened the name of the college to simply "Grady College", which aligns with the title on his faculty bio. Edge3 (talk) 03:44, 29 January 2024 (UTC)


 * All good now. One last thing, not too major- you said that you wanted to emphasize that this opinion was issued by the office, and Madigan was just the office's leader. If that's the case, why is she the first image people see when they click this article? That makes it seem like her involvement is much bigger than you intend. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 00:06, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Fair point! I've swapped that image with the screenshot of the opinion. Edge3 (talk) 01:41, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Expiration of bills
@Mike Christie: I didn't have an opportunity to fully respond to you before the FAC was closed. See also my comments on that thread.

I've added a brief clarification that states that the expired bills didn't become law. I'm reluctant to add more because I would otherwise be going into an explanation of Illinois legislative procedures, which is probably outside the scope of this article. The important takeaway for the reader is that the proposals did not become law.

I welcome your thoughts on this. Edge3 (talk) 22:05, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I think what you've added is fine. I had a look for a suitable link but couldn't find one, but I think it's OK now.  Congratulations on getting this promoted to FA. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 09:18, 21 April 2024 (UTC)